[sword-devel] Novel use of the OSIS q element for quotation marks in the ESV_THE module

[DM Smith]

Yes, I did the original markup. STEP enhanced the module further.

This markup is done as a transformation in osis2mod. It separates Words of Christ (WoC or RLT) markup from quote markup. For all the reasons given before regarding beginning, continuing and ending quotes, these are transformed into milestones. For the WoC, these need to be containers so that everything in the container can be “red”.

osis2mod expects quotation markup to be natural. It knows when a new <q> element is found and knows when it is closed. It can easily generate an sID/eID pair.

There should be no special mention of the pattern for OSIS texts.

> On Apr 12, 2025, at 2:23 PM, David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> The novelty was not in the use of the OSIS XML element q - per se.
> It's rather the use of the milestone form of the q element, at start & end of each quotation.
> 
> And moreover, it's now got me wondering how all the attribute values for the sID & eID pairs were generated?  Did the source text have these already, or were they generated by osis2mod somehow?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> David
> 
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> 
> On Saturday, April 12th, 2025 at 7:03 PM, David Instone-Brewer <davidinstonebrewer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> David, I'm fairly sure STEPBible inherited this q markup. I always thought it originated with Crosswire before the Strongs were added.
>> 
>> David IB
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, 11 Apr 2025, 18:44 David Haslam, <dfhdfh at protonmail.com <mailto:dfhdfh at protonmail.com>> wrote:
>>> I only spotted the use of this novel idea for the first time today...
>>> 
>>> The milestone version of the OSIS q element
>>> 
>>> In the Tyndale House Edition of the ESV module ESV_THE
>>> the verses with speech are coded like this example in the OSIS:
>>> 
>>> $$$Genesis 29:7
>>> He
>>> <w lemma="strong:H00559">said</w>,
>>> <q level="1" marker="“" sID="01029007.1"/>
>>> <w lemma="strong:H02005">Behold</w>, it is
>>> <w lemma="strong:H05750">still</w>
>>> <w lemma="strong:H01419">high</w>
>>> <w lemma="strong:H03117">day</w>; it is
>>> <w lemma="strong:H03808">not</w>
>>> <w lemma="strong:H06256">time</w> for the
>>> <w lemma="strong:H04735">livestock</w> to be
>>> <w lemma="strong:H00622">gathered together</w>.
>>> <w lemma="strong:H08248">Water</w> the
>>> <w lemma="strong:H06629">sheep</w> and
>>> <w lemma="strong:H01980">go</w>,
>>> <w lemma="strong:H07462">pasture</w> them.
>>> <q eID="01029007.1" level="1" marker="”"/>
>>> 
>>> NB. For readability, each XML element starts on a new line in this email.
>>> The colours are mine too.
>>> 
>>> Verses in the NT in which the words of Jesus are in quotation marks are coded as in this example:
>>> $$$Matthew 3:15
>>> 
>>> <w lemma="strong:G1161">But</w>
>>> <w lemma="strong:G2424">Jesus</w>
>>> <w lemma="strong:G0611 strong:G3004 strong:G4314">answered</w>
>>> <w lemma="strong:G0846">him</w>,
>>> <q marker="" who="Jesus">
>>> <q level="1" marker="“" sID="40003015.1"/>
>>> <w lemma="strong:G0863">Let</w> it be so
>>> <w lemma="strong:G0737">now</w>,
>>> <w lemma="strong:G1063">for</w>
>>> <w lemma="strong:G3779">thus</w> it is
>>> <w lemma="strong:G4241 strong:G1510">fitting</w> for
>>> <w lemma="strong:G2254">us</w> to
>>> <w lemma="strong:G4137">fulfill</w>
>>> <w lemma="strong:G3956">all</w>
>>> <w lemma="strong:G1343">righteousness</w>.
>>> <q eID="40003015.1" level="1" marker="”"/></q>
>>> <w lemma="strong:G5119">Then</w> he
>>> <w lemma="strong:G0863 strong:G0846">consented</w>.
>>> 
>>> AFAICT, this has never been documented in the developers' wiki.
>>> 
>>> HT to Dr David Instone-Brewer and the STEP Bible team.
>>> NB. David retired from Tyndale House about 5 years ago.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
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