[sword-devel] Novel use of the OSIS q element for quotation marks in the ESV_THE module

[David Haslam]

Hi David,

The novelty was not in the use of the OSIS XML element q - per se.
It's rather the use of the milestone form of the q element, at start & end of each quotation.

And moreover, it's now got me wondering how all the attribute values for the sID & eID pairs were generated? Did the source text have these already, or were they generated by osis2mod somehow?

Best regards,

David

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On Saturday, April 12th, 2025 at 7:03 PM, David Instone-Brewer <davidinstonebrewer at gmail.com> wrote:

> David, I'm fairly sure STEPBible inherited this q markup. I always thought it originated with Crosswire before the Strongs were added.
>
> David IB
>
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2025, 18:44 David Haslam, <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I only spotted the use of this novel idea for the first time today...
>>
>> The milestone version of the OSIS q element
>>
>> In the Tyndale House Edition of the ESV module ESV_THE
>> the verses with speech are coded like this example in the OSIS:
>>
>>> $$$Genesis 29:7
>>> He
>>> <w lemma="strong:H00559">said</w>,
>>> <q level="1" marker="“" sID="01029007.1"/>
>>> <w lemma="strong:H02005">Behold</w>, it is
>>> <w lemma="strong:H05750">still</w>
>>> <w lemma="strong:H01419">high</w>
>>> <w lemma="strong:H03117">day</w>; it is
>>> <w lemma="strong:H03808">not</w>
>>> <w lemma="strong:H06256">time</w> for the
>>> <w lemma="strong:H04735">livestock</w> to be
>>> <w lemma="strong:H00622">gathered together</w>.
>>> <w lemma="strong:H08248">Water</w> the
>>> <w lemma="strong:H06629">sheep</w> and
>>> <w lemma="strong:H01980">go</w>,
>>> <w lemma="strong:H07462">pasture</w> them.
>>> <q eID="01029007.1" level="1" marker="”"/>
>>
>> NB. For readability, each XML element starts on a new line in this email.
>> The colours are mine too.
>>
>> Verses in the NT in which the words of Jesus are in quotation marks are coded as in this example:
>>
>>> $$$Matthew 3:15
>>>
>>> <w lemma="strong:G1161">But</w>
>>> <w lemma="strong:G2424">Jesus</w>
>>> <w lemma="strong:G0611 strong:G3004 strong:G4314">answered</w>
>>> <w lemma="strong:G0846">him</w>,
>>> <q marker="" who="Jesus">
>>> <q level="1" marker="“" sID="40003015.1"/>
>>> <w lemma="strong:G0863">Let</w> it be so
>>> <w lemma="strong:G0737">now</w>,
>>> <w lemma="strong:G1063">for</w>
>>> <w lemma="strong:G3779">thus</w> it is
>>> <w lemma="strong:G4241 strong:G1510">fitting</w> for
>>> <w lemma="strong:G2254">us</w> to
>>> <w lemma="strong:G4137">fulfill</w>
>>> <w lemma="strong:G3956">all</w>
>>> <w lemma="strong:G1343">righteousness</w>.
>>> <q eID="40003015.1" level="1" marker="”"/></q>
>>> <w lemma="strong:G5119">Then</w> he
>>> <w lemma="strong:G0863 strong:G0846">consented</w>.
>>
>> AFAICT, this has never been documented in the developers' wiki.
>>
>> HT to Dr David Instone-Brewer and the STEP Bible team.
>> NB. David retired from Tyndale House about 5 years ago.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> David
>>
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