[sword-devel] AndBible WEBC Daniel

Tue Apr 25 01:25:57 EDT 2023

From the sidelines, Why not propose a new AV11N that would support the WEB ?

Isn’t that all that’s needed?

David

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On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 01:06, Michael Johnson <[Michael at eBible.org](mailto:On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 01:06, Michael Johnson <<a href=)> wrote:

> OK, Troy. I hear you saying that it is not "broken", but working perfectly as designed. That is actually worse, because if it were broken, there might be some motivation to fix it. As it is, I have no hope that the World English Bible Ecumenical Editions will ever be properly displayed in any Sword software, at least as far as having both versions of Daniel goes. That isn't important to you. I get that. It is more important to me to preserve the versifications of the original works than it is to support Sword, especially if DAN and DAG are not allowed to coexist in the same Bible. Time for a fork?
>
> On 4/24/23 08:47, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>
>> 😊
>>
>> I would obvious encourage the use of "well balanced" over "broken".
>>
>> The use cases we need to solve are varied, but the typical cases have to be priorities.
>>
>> 1) Users lookup verses by reference, e.g., for Dan 3:7. What should they get? Majority of users don't ask for the Greek or Hebrew version of Daniel or even know about the difference.
>>
>> 2) Users want to compare a verse across translations. This is the primary motivator for defined versification schemes and maps between them. e.g. when a user is reading Ps 10:1, and ask to see it in an LXX translation, we need to show them Ps.9.21.
>>
>> I understand the desire to let publishers flow their texts however they want, and we should do better for the publishers, but that is by far not the majority use case for users.
>>
>> On April 24, 2023 9:51:56 AM MST, Michael Johnson [<Michael at eBible.org>](mailto:Michael at eBible.org) wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Br. Cyrille,
>>>
>>> Actually, that work-around might work for Catholic versification, but not for the ecumenical versification of the WEB. That is because the World English Bible contains both Daniel translated from the Hebrew traditional text (DAN) and Daniel translated from the Greek Septuagint (DAG). The USFM markup is correct. The ability of the Sword Engine to interpret it is broken.
>>>
>>> On 4/24/23 01:43, Fr Cyrille wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>> THe problem is the same with xiphos.
>>>> If you want your file readable with the Catholic versification, you need to use the DAN \id in your usfm file, and not \id DAG.
>>>> It's not a front-end issue but an usfm issue.
>>>> @Jon, you probably know, with Andbible in the list of the bible books, the DC and accessible with the +.
>>>>
>>>> Le 23/04/2023 à 09:29, Michael Johnson a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> Hello, Jonathan.
>>>>>
>>>>> WEB and WEBC indeed contain Daniel (Greek). However, I don't know how to select a Sword Engine versification that can cause the front ends (AndBible, Bishop, Xiphos, etc.) to properly display Daniel (Greek). They can display some fragments of Daniel (Greek), like Susanna and Bel and the Dragon, but the World English Bible isn't split up that way, and won't be. Daniel (Greek) makes more sense when presented as a whole. I'm not sure if this is possible to do within the Sword ecosystem.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the mean time, eBible.org epub files work well with Google Books and Apple Books, among other epub readers, no matter what their versification. You can get to any chapter in about 3 taps. The Sword Engine tries to force-fit every Bible translation into a small set of predefined, hard-coded versification schemes, none of which exactly match the World English Bible. In fact, they don't exactly match a very high percentage of Bible translations.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/22/23 19:36, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Name-> Jonathan Faust
>>>>>> Email-> jonfaust at tutanota.com
>>>>>> Subject-> AndBible WEBC Daniel
>>>>>> Form URL-> https://eBible.org/cgi-bin/contact.cgi
>>>>>> Remote IP-> 172.69.204.168
>>>>>> Hi there!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apologies if I'm mistaken, but I'm not seeing Daniel (Greek) in my bible app. It looks like both the WEB and WEBC contain Esther (Greek) but lack Daniel (Greek). This would imply WEBC contains no translation of Daniel. I see it on browser bible and in the EPUB. Is this an issue with AndBible, the source WEB files, or something else?
>>>>>
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