<html><head></head><body> <div dir="auto">From the sidelines, Why not propose a new AV11N that would support the WEB ?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Isn’t that all that’s needed?<caret></caret></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">David</div><div><br></div> <div id="protonmail_mobile_signature_block"><div>Sent from Proton Mail for iOS</div></div> <div><br></div><div><br></div>On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 01:06, Michael Johnson <<a class="" href="mailto:On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 01:06, Michael Johnson <<a href=">Michael@eBible.org</a>> wrote:<blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote">
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">OK, Troy. I hear you saying that it is
not "broken", but working perfectly as designed. That is actually
worse, because if it were broken, there might be some motivation
to fix it. As it is, I have no hope that the World English Bible
Ecumenical Editions will ever be properly displayed in any Sword
software, at least as far as having both versions of Daniel goes.
That isn't important to you. I get that. It is more important to
me to preserve the versifications of the original works than it is
to support Sword, especially if DAN and DAG are not allowed to
coexist in the same Bible. Time for a fork?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/24/23 08:47, Troy A. Griffitts
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<div dir="auto">😊<br>
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I would obvious encourage the use of "well balanced" over
"broken".<br>
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The use cases we need to solve are varied, but the typical cases
have to be priorities.<br>
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1) Users lookup verses by reference, e.g., for Dan 3:7. What
should they get? Majority of users don't ask for the Greek or
Hebrew version of Daniel or even know about the difference.<br>
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2) Users want to compare a verse across translations. This is
the primary motivator for defined versification schemes and maps
between them. e.g. when a user is reading Ps 10:1, and ask to
see it in an LXX translation, we need to show them Ps.9.21.<br>
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I understand the desire to let publishers flow their texts
however they want, and we should do better for the publishers,
but that is by far not the majority use case for users.</div>
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<div dir="auto">On April 24, 2023 9:51:56 AM MST, Michael
Johnson <a href="mailto:Michael@eBible.org" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"><Michael@eBible.org></a> wrote:</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Br. Cyrille,</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Actually, that work-around might
work for Catholic versification, but not for the ecumenical
versification of the WEB. That is because the World English
Bible contains both Daniel translated from the Hebrew
traditional text (DAN) and Daniel translated from the Greek
Septuagint (DAG). The USFM markup is correct. The ability of
the Sword Engine to interpret it is broken.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/24/23 01:43, Fr Cyrille
wrote:<br>
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Hi Michael,<br>
THe problem is the same with xiphos.<br>
If you want your file readable with the Catholic
versification, you need to use the DAN \id in your usfm
file, and not \id DAG.<br>
It's not a front-end issue but an usfm issue.<br>
@Jon, you probably know, with Andbible in the list of the
bible books, the DC and accessible with the +.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 23/04/2023 à 09:29, Michael
Johnson a écrit :<br>
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<p>Hello, Jonathan.</p>
<p>WEB and WEBC indeed contain Daniel (Greek). However, I
don't know how to select a Sword Engine versification
that can cause the front ends (AndBible, Bishop, Xiphos,
etc.) to properly display Daniel (Greek). They can
display some fragments of Daniel (Greek), like Susanna
and Bel and the Dragon, but the World English Bible
isn't split up that way, and won't be. Daniel (Greek)
makes more sense when presented as a whole. I'm not sure
if this is possible to do within the Sword ecosystem.</p>
<p>In the mean time, eBible.org epub files work well with
Google Books and Apple Books, among other epub readers,
no matter what their versification. You can get to any
chapter in about 3 taps. The Sword Engine tries to
force-fit every Bible translation into a small set of
predefined, hard-coded versification schemes, none of
which exactly match the World English Bible. In fact,
they don't exactly match a very high percentage of Bible
translations.<br>
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On 4/22/23 19:36, you wrote:<br>
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Name-> Jonathan Faust<br>
Email-> <a href="mailto:jonfaust@tutanota.com" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated
moz-txt-link-freetext">jonfaust@tutanota.com</a><br>
Subject-> AndBible WEBC Daniel<br>
Form URL-> <a href="https://eBible.org/cgi-bin/contact.cgi" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://eBible.org/cgi-bin/contact.cgi</a><br>
Remote IP-> 172.69.204.168<br>
Hi there!<br>
<br>
Apologies if I'm mistaken, but I'm not seeing Daniel
(Greek) in my bible app. It looks like both the WEB and
WEBC contain Esther (Greek) but lack Daniel (Greek).
This would imply WEBC contains no translation of Daniel.
I see it on browser bible and in the EPUB. Is this an
issue with AndBible, the source WEB files, or something
else?<br>
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