[sword-devel] NASB Psalm titles

[Tom Sullivan]

My reference to verse numbers was only to show that others also 
considered the Psalm titles to be canonical.

Tom Sullivan
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On 5/8/20 11:01 AM, David Haslam wrote:
> The original Hebrew text had no “verse numbers”.
> 
> It’s anachronistic to assert that it did.
> 
> See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapters_and_verses_of_the_Bible 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapters_and_verses_of_the_Bible?wprov=sfti1>
> 
> Modern printed editions of the MT have verse numbers “retrofitted” 
> simply for ease of use.
> 
> The Wikipedia article on Psalms is also instructive.
> How Psalms are numbered and versified is quite a complex matter.
> It’s just one of the factors we have to take account of under 
> Alternative Versification.
> 
> David
> 
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> 
> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 15:49, Tom Sullivan <info at beforgiven.info 
> <mailto:info at beforgiven.info>> wrote:
>> Y'all:
>>
>> My Biblia Hebraica treats Psalm titles as the first verse, indicating
>> biblical canonacity and in line with Hebrew versification.
>>
>> Note the following from OSIS doc, OSIS.pdf:
>>
>> Appendix B.2.10 titles
>> The type attribute on the title element is used to allow special
>> rendering of particular titles, as well as
>> searching for particular types of titles in the text.identify the type
>> of note that appears in the text. Note that
>> the values for the type attribute must be entered exactly as shown, all
>> others must use the "x-" extension
>> mechanism.
>> If the user needs to record a type of title in the text that is not
>> covered by these values, please use the OSIS
>> attribute extension mechanism, "x-" in front of the name of your value
>> for this attribute.
>> .
>> .
>> psalm Use in the Psalms where what are considered "titles" in the
>> English text are actually numbered
>> as verses in the Hebrew text.
>>
>> David's point about canonicity is well taken, but we must consider:
>> 1. Are we considering canonicity with respect to the NASB as published,
>> OR
>> 2. Are we considering canonicity with respect to how the NASB publishers
>> saw it, that is that the Scripture text is cannonical. If we make this
>> decision, we are simply electronically duplicating the paper publication.
>>
>> IMHO, 2. is the far better choice.
>>
>> Hope this helps, and thanks again to all.
>>
>> Tom Sullivan
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>> On 5/8/20 10:28 AM, David Haslam wrote:
>> > One of the subtleties of OSIS is that the canonical attribute is
>> > actually not a theological matter.
>> >
>> > It’s easy to jump to the wrong conclusion that SWORD treats it as if 
>> it was.
>> >
>> > It’s actually a technical attribute relating to the published work it
>> > represents in digital format.
>> > So it can just as well appear in a Commentary module as a Bible module.
>> >
>> > Anything with canonical=“false” should in theory at least be only
>> > because the marked text was not in the original work.
>> >
>> > Then the question becomes “What was the original work?”
>> >
>> > I will leave you to ponder....
>> >
>> > David
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 15:09, Karl Kleinpaste <karl at kleinpaste.org
>> > <mailto:karl at kleinpaste.org>> wrote:
>> >> On 5/8/20 10:00 AM, Tom Sullivan wrote:
>> >> > because Psalm titles are canonical, front-ends should put a 
>> difference
>> >> > in display between them and human editor supplied titles.
>> >>
>> >> It's a fine idea, but it requires (in the xhtml case) the engine to 
>> wrap
>> >> such titles in a suitable <span></span> so that a CSS control can 
>> put it
>> >> to use, with appropriate new default render header content for it.
>> >>
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