[sword-devel] NASB Psalm titles

[David Haslam]

The original Hebrew text had no “verse numbers”.

It’s anachronistic to assert that it did.

See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapters_and_verses_of_the_Bible](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapters_and_verses_of_the_Bible?wprov=sfti1)

Modern printed editions of the MT have verse numbers “retrofitted” simply for ease of use.

The Wikipedia article on Psalms is also instructive.
How Psalms are numbered and versified is quite a complex matter.
It’s just one of the factors we have to take account of under Alternative Versification.

David

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On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 15:49, Tom Sullivan <info at beforgiven.info> wrote:

> Y'all:
>
> My Biblia Hebraica treats Psalm titles as the first verse, indicating
> biblical canonacity and in line with Hebrew versification.
>
> Note the following from OSIS doc, OSIS.pdf:
>
> Appendix B.2.10 titles
> The type attribute on the title element is used to allow special
> rendering of particular titles, as well as
> searching for particular types of titles in the text.identify the type
> of note that appears in the text. Note that
> the values for the type attribute must be entered exactly as shown, all
> others must use the "x-" extension
> mechanism.
> If the user needs to record a type of title in the text that is not
> covered by these values, please use the OSIS
> attribute extension mechanism, "x-" in front of the name of your value
> for this attribute.
> .
> .
> psalm Use in the Psalms where what are considered "titles" in the
> English text are actually numbered
> as verses in the Hebrew text.
>
> David's point about canonicity is well taken, but we must consider:
> 1. Are we considering canonicity with respect to the NASB as published,
> OR
> 2. Are we considering canonicity with respect to how the NASB publishers
> saw it, that is that the Scripture text is cannonical. If we make this
> decision, we are simply electronically duplicating the paper publication.
>
> IMHO, 2. is the far better choice.
>
> Hope this helps, and thanks again to all.
>
> Tom Sullivan
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> On 5/8/20 10:28 AM, David Haslam wrote:
>> One of the subtleties of OSIS is that the canonical attribute is
>> actually not a theological matter.
>>
>> It’s easy to jump to the wrong conclusion that SWORD treats it as if it was.
>>
>> It’s actually a technical attribute relating to the published work it
>> represents in digital format.
>> So it can just as well appear in a Commentary module as a Bible module.
>>
>> Anything with canonical=“false” should in theory at least be only
>> because the marked text was not in the original work.
>>
>> Then the question becomes “What was the original work?”
>>
>> I will leave you to ponder....
>>
>> David
>>
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>>
>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 15:09, Karl Kleinpaste <karl at kleinpaste.org
>> <mailto:karl at kleinpaste.org>> wrote:
>>> On 5/8/20 10:00 AM, Tom Sullivan wrote:
>>> > because Psalm titles are canonical, front-ends should put a difference
>>> > in display between them and human editor supplied titles.
>>>
>>> It's a fine idea, but it requires (in the xhtml case) the engine to wrap
>>> such titles in a suitable <span></span> so that a CSS control can put it
>>> to use, with appropriate new default render header content for it.
>>>
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