[sword-devel] ESV

[Troy A. Griffitts]

Thanks Michael,

They "dropped" the backpayment demand and took a much nicer tone when I
asked for upper management to get involved in the conversation.  I
appreciate the offer to help, though.

Troy


On 7/6/19 9:28 AM, Michael H wrote:
> Troy, 
>
> Following up on the amount due.  I know the organization itself
> doesn't do money, but if they continue to chase crosswire for that
> money, is there a way to contribute to that? 
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 12:19 PM Troy A. Griffitts
> <scribe at crosswire.org <mailto:scribe at crosswire.org>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Tuomas,
>
>     Yes, Crossway has decided to ask us again to stop distributing the
>     ESV.  We deal with new people there all the time and explaining to
>     them how we work and our "family" of applications, and that open
>     source software does not mean open source Bibles, is a challenge. 
>     For the past 10 years, we have tried to get the ESV distribution
>     off of our server onto Crossway's server into their own SWORD
>     remote module installation repository, so as to not require from
>     CrossWire a license from Crossway (and all Crossway requires of a
>     license, including a nominal annual fee, renewing the contract,
>     providing regular download stats, etc.).  Crossway has expressed
>     desire to do this in the past, which we hoped would happen soon
>     and hadn't been paying their licensing fees in the hopes that they
>     would take over their own distribution, but they have never follow
>     through with this.  The most recent person in charge of digital
>     licensing has now sent us a bill for $1400 for past licensing dues
>     and is sending mixed signals:
>
>     "Crossway does not wish to have you do this [distribute from
>     CrossWire servers] with our content, as we have our own servers. 
>     We also do not want to make your software or the data files that
>     work with our [sic: your?] software available on Crossway's site,
>     as we have our own proprietary API, apps, software, and systems."
>
>     ...
>
>     "Crossway is not interested in granting you a license to
>     distribute the ESV from your server, nor do we wish to distribute
>     your data files and software from our site."
>
>     ...
>
>     "If in the days to come you wish to use the ESV again, we would
>     welcome a new proposal from you regarding your desired use."
>
>
>     I sent the new distributions rights "VP" all the threads of
>     discussion we've had over the past 18 year with Crossway.  I am
>     sure it was probably too much to be useful, but have quoted
>     relevant sections of those discussions.  It all comes down to the
>     fact that we have 2000+ Bibles available for our tools.  For no
>     other Bible do we have to pay an annual licensing fee or regularly
>     deal with demands from some new person in charge of digital rights
>     to cease distribute of their text when someone from our community
>     emails them and asks about their new SWORD frontend having access
>     to the ESV.  It has become exhausting.
>
>     I am sad it has come to this,
>
>     Troy
>
>
>     On 6/4/19 11:44 PM, Tuomas Airaksinen wrote:
>>     Hi,
>>
>>     And Bible user notified me that popular ESV module has
>>     disappeared and I checked that it indeed is not listed in AB
>>     module listings at the moment. What happened?
>>
>>     -- 
>>     T: Tuomas
>>
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