[sword-devel] [And Bible Support] And Bible

[Tom Sullivan]

For what it may be worth:

Like it or not, English has replaced Latin as a global language. But to 
not give offense, perhaps using an international standard such as the 
IANA language codes instead of translating would work. These can be 
looked up by anyone with web access. The nice thing is that these are 
already used in a .conf file, so available to front ends.

The same bias exists in HTML, C, etc.

Just as when we spill a dustbin, we pick up most of it, then sweep up 
what we can and leave the rest. With anything, there are limits to 
practicality.

Just a thought.

Tom Sullivan
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On 2/7/19 9:41 AM, Cyrille wrote:
> 
> 
> Il 07/02/2019 15:00, David Haslam ha scritto:
>> I suppose a UI preferences option might suffice.
>>
>> The user might then switch between displaying them in his/her OS 
>> locale and the language’s own localised language name.
>>
>> But just think how much data might be required to translate every 
>> language name into every possible locale.
>>
>> Thus even having an English translation in parentheses is still in 
>> effect showing a systemic bias towards English.
>>
>> Doing what Karl did is the least biased.
>>
>> And for Xiphos users, it presents a nice learning opportunity.
> Learning Chinese, Japanese, arab, Hindi, Russian... :-\
>>
>> David
>>
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>>
>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 13:30, Cyrille <lafricain79 at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:lafricain79 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Il 07/02/2019 14:18, David Haslam ha scritto:
>>>> Surely Karl is right in having as part of his design philosophy the 
>>>> desire to avoid a systemic bias in favour of the English language.
>>> I think Ihave not well understood the problem :-. In my case I just 
>>> wondered if we could not display the list of languages in the 
>>> language of the system (not only in English, not modify the source 
>>> file to English.) Or maybe I would see the language displayed in the 
>>> original locale with a translation in parenthesis. This second 
>>> solution seems to me nicer.
>>>>
>>>> It’s more the case that BibleTime and PocketSword still have some 
>>>> measure of such a systemic bias.
>>>>
>>>> This is a Top Level aspect of Software Engineering. I for one 
>>>> commend his commitment to Internationalisation.
>>> Me too!!
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 13:10, Cyrille <lafricain79 at gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:lafricain79 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Il 07/02/2019 13:02, Karl Kleinpaste ha scritto:
>>>>>> On 2/7/19 6:41 AM, Cyrille wrote:
>>>>>>> Maybe it should be interesting to have the list translated?
>>>>>> Xiphos' languages file tries to be localized to a language's own 
>>>>>> name and encoding, to the extent it's known and can be done in 
>>>>>> current font support. There have been some in the past that were 
>>>>>> not localized because of limitations, e.g. Norsk ("grep -A2 -B1 -i 
>>>>>> '^nb[^a-z]' /usr/share/xiphos/languages") and Gothic ("grep -B2 -i 
>>>>>> ^got /usr/share/xiphos/languages"). The original ISO dump from 
>>>>>> which it was initialized was all Latin script.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, look, sil.org moved the ISO dump page *again*...
>>>>> Bibletime propose the tranluction of the list. If I have 
>>>>> difficulties to find something with xiphos, I jump on Bibletime, 
>>>>> but it's not very practical.
>>>>>>
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