[sword-devel] Mapping Strongs numbers to translations that do not come with Strongs support
Tobias Klein
contact at tklein.info
Sun Apr 14 07:41:54 MST 2019
Thanks, Troy! I'll have a look.
Best regards,
Tobias
On 13.04.19 17:34, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> The code I use for mapping across translations is in our tools repo
> here. It does a reasonable job on same language literal Bibles and
> isolates to word alignment algorithm to a single method so it can be
> adjusted without understanding all the other code in there.
>
> http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/migratetags/
>
> I think I have a newer matching algorithm I've used for adding strongs
> to the Tyndale Greek New Testament and to NA28, which I still need to
> check in, but the shell to do the work is generally there. I'll try to
> checkin any updates soon.
>
> For what it's worth,
>
> Troy
>
>
>
> On April 13, 2019 6:12:28 AM MST, Jamie <araj at critos.co.uk> wrote:
>
> David H is correct that David Instone Brewer has worked on this
> kind of thing. I won’t attempt to characterise how things stand
> at present, nor the approach he has adopted, since I may be out of
> date, and may end up misrepresenting things. I did notice this
> thread, though, and have drawn it to his attention, so I imagine
> he’ll be in touch (he’s not answering my emails currently so I
> assume he may be out for the day).
>
> Jamie
>
> *From:*David Haslam [mailto:dfhdfh at protonmail.com]
> *Sent:* 13 April 2019 13:37
> *To:* SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum
> <sword-devel at crosswire.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [sword-devel] Mapping Strongs numbers to
> translations that do not come with Strongs support
>
> Further stuff written by memory from my hospital bed:
>
> I myself developed a worksheet based editing environment so that
> Vince LaRue has been able to start the big task of manually adding
> Strong’s to the Spanish RV1865 (modern orthography) Source Text.
>
> The WIP is in a shared folder in my Box account.
>
> The pre-&-postprocessing uses bespoke TextPipe filters.
>
> But there’s one more gain in the worksheet WPL environment.
>
> Providing the WPL worksheet includes a column with line numbers,
> the text can be sorted on the Word column.
>
> This facilitated adding Strong’s to multiple instances of the same
> Spanish word (ignoring context). The original textual order can be
> restored by a sort on the line numbers column.
>
> Much more detail is involved in how (eg) punctuation is dealt with
> and preserved.
>
> Even so, the trial run on 2JN was a success and Vince has since
> done MAT 1-11 or more when I last looked at the progress.
>
> Aside: The same environment also facilitated adding markup for
> \wj_...\wj*
>
> Best regards,
>
> David
>
> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>
> On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 13:16, refdoc at gmx.net
> <mailto:refdoc at gmx.net> <refdoc at gmx.net <mailto:refdoc at gmx.net>>
> wrote:
>
> I have been thinking about this for years but not done much yet.
>
> I think there are a bunch of steps which could make this a
> machine driven process
>
> 1) use verse,mapping from KJV or other already tagged texts
> (Synodal) and drop on each verse the relevant numbers
>
> 2) use names of places and people to tag those first
>
> 3) use dictionaries to align further
>
> 4) check by hand, but use any realignment to further inform
> not yet checked verses
>
>
> Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird
> autocorrects.
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Mapping Strongs numbers to
> translations that do not come with Strongs support
> From: Michael H
> To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum
> CC:
>
>
> The Unfolding Word Team is using Autographa for its
> "alignment" process (which means adding strongs numbers,
> but they also are working on fixing stray words into a
> common (UnfoldingWord) versification across languages, if
> I understand chat room babble.
>
> https://forum.ccbt.bible/t/gl-ugnt-alignment-process/101
>
> http://www.autographa.com/about/
>
> On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 6:52 AM Tobias Klein
> <contact at tklein.info <mailto:contact at tklein.info>> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> Cool! Thanks for the hint! Do you happen to know
> whether that software used by the STEP team is open
> source?
>
> Best regards,
> Tobias
>
> On 13.04.19 13:00, David Haslam wrote:
>
> This was done already by the Tyndale STEP team for
> adding Strong’s Numbers to the ESV.
>
> They used bespoke software followed by manual
> adjustments.
>
> Ask David Instone-Brewer for details.
>
> Best regards,
>
> David
>
> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>
> On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 11:33, Tobias Klein
> <contact at tklein.info <mailto:contact at tklein.info>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have an idea that I would like to run by you
> guys.
>
> Would it be possible to automatically map
> Strongs numbers to
> translations that do not come with Strongs
> support?
>
> The approach would be like this:
> - Take a translation that comes with Strongs
> numbers
> - Map each word (and Strongs number) to a
> corresponding word in the
> target translation, by using a regular dictionary
>
> There may be some validation / manual checking
> needed when there is not
> a clear match between a word in the source
> translation and the target
> translation.
> Furthermore, this would probably only work
> with pairs of translations
> that are both aiming to be literal. In that
> case the order of words
> would be very similar and would increase
> chances of mapping
> words/Strongs correctly.
>
> What do you think?
> I'd be very happy to see Strongs mapped to
> German translations
> specifically. But it could technically even
> work for English/English
> translation mapping.
>
> Have a nice weekend!
>
> Best regards,
> Tobias
>
>
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