[sword-devel] LXX v11n issues

[Cyrille]

Le 06/01/2018 à 20:13, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit :
>
> These v11ns are not in the sources because we are still researching. 
> But since these have been double checked to printed editions,
>

I have the printing edition!! And this report is about the printing
edition, not about the doc file. But the doc file correspond exactly to
the printing edition.
>
> I highly doubt whatever 'errors' you see are actually errors in the
> v11n, but rather a bad source text.  I am sorry for speculating, but I
> know these v11ns were checked and verified by a second individual
> against a printed edition and also know there is a ton of low quality
> texts online which claim to be things which they are not.
>
The check was not good done.
>
> These are simply my suspicions without having the time now to put in
> the research.  I hope you find a way to check and confirm.
>
Then I can confirm this :
The current canon_LXX.h and the LXX,rahlfs.h don't match with the
printing edition, I have with me.
>
> Troy
>
>
>
> On 01/06/2018 12:06 PM, Cyrille wrote:
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>>
>> Le 06/01/2018 à 18:36, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit :
>>>
>>> Dear Cyrille,
>>>
>>> I just did a brief diff between the canon_lxx.h and the
>>> canon_lxx-super.h I sent you in my previous email, and the
>>> differences don't look like anything useful.  I must be mistaken
>>> about what this file is.  Have a read of the comments in the file I
>>> send and those in the canon_lxx.h included in 1.8.0.  They are very
>>> similar, but the *-super.h v11n includes this comment near the end
>>> of the header:
>>>
>>> "This is not intended for critical editions that separately encode
>>> variant traditions of Joshua, Judges, Tobit, etc. that are already
>>> served by the Rahlfs versification system (q.v.)."
>>>
>>> I am not sure to what the "Rahlfs versification system (q.v.)"
>>> refers, nor the /quod vide/ at the end of the reference.
>>>
>>> I could possibly refer to the analysis of Rahlfs in the LXX v11n
>>> folder I send to you earlier, specifically here, but I am not sure:
>>>
>>> http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/canon_rahlfs.h
>>>
>> My question is why this v11n are not in the sources? And I compare
>> the Rahlfs.h, it's not good... still a lot of issues. I ready to
>> perform it. Please let me know the good way to help.
>> But it clear for me that for the current source I have, it's not
>> possible to use the current LXX v11n.
>>>
>>> But I do not see any accommodation for alternate traditions in
>>> there.  I may need to go search old emails to dig up the discussions
>>> on this.
>>>
>>> Troy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/06/2018 09:36 AM, Cyrille wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le 06/01/2018 à 17:16, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit :
>>>>> Hi Cyrille,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a few comments which I hope will clear up a few things.
>>>>>
>>>>> The sword-tools SVN repo needs to be checked out to your computer
>>>>> before you can run the convert.sh for CCAT. The repo contains the
>>>>> .jar file you asked about. You cannot just download the individual
>>>>> convert.sh script.
>>>>
>>>> Ok It's clear. I need to clone it with hg? The user is this from
>>>> the automatic email send? If it is this email I can't find it again :-\
>>>>>
>>>>> SWORD versifications are often a superset for multiple Bibles. The
>>>>> SWORD engine provides a facility for frontends to easily skip
>>>>> empty entries. Thus, when you discover that a chapter here or a
>>>>> chapter there has too many verses, it is probably that way to
>>>>> support another Bible which has more verses for that chapter.
>>>>>
>>>>> LXX v11n has been researched extensively by Chris and others.
>>>>> There are many issues regarding the LXX which are not easily
>>>>> resolved, e.g., Rahlfs providing two textual traditions of the
>>>>> same book in parallel with different versifications. I h research
>>>>> for LXX in general can be found here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/
>>>>
>>>> OK but what to do?? Is it possible to use the Rahlfs with osis2mod?
>>>> Because Rahlfs is not the current one. I have the Rahlfs text. If I
>>>> use the current LXX v11n with my text I will have really a lot of
>>>> issues!
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this helps a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Troy
>>>>>
>>>>> On January 6, 2018 9:01:01 AM MST, Cyrille <lafricain79 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Hello,
>>>>>     Before to work on a new module for the LXX, I decided to verify the
>>>>>     current LXX v11n. And what was my surprise discovering many errors!
>>>>>     Please can you give me the list of the current modules using LXX v11n?
>>>>>     I will propose a new with correction, some books give me worries, like
>>>>>     Esther, which contains a versification in letter, I will make you a
>>>>>     proposal once my verification is finished. I work with the A. Rahlfs
>>>>>     (maybe the current LXX v11n was made with an other ?)
>>>>>
>>>>>     Best regards, Br Cyrille
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
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