[sword-devel] OSISMorphSegmentation

Fri Dec 29 16:34:27 MST 2017

DM:

There may be a terminology problem here.

Re:
<seg type="x-morph">הַ</seg>
The letter He is used as the definite article and it is prepended to the 
word. Example using English, L to R: "The Land" would be He-Eretz.

Hebrew also appends pronounimal suffixes, so perhaps those are segments 
as well. The pronounimal suffixes also have meaning on their own.

Highly inflected languages can be a bear for English speakers, so it 
would make some sense to parse out the word. I am no Hebrew scholar and 
cannot recall all of the exact terminology that should be used.

We could use some help here from someone whose Hebrew is fresh in their 
mind. Correct terminology and a bit more explanation on all of these 
kind of options would help.

All of us who are programmers should take heed from this issue. One 
should not have to decipher code to know about the inputs and outputs.

Tom

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On 12/29/2017 06:12 PM, DM Smith wrote:
> I have no idea. I can read and write C++, but it’s been over 20 years 
> since I did it on a regular basis. I’m not interested in trying to 
> decipher the code or what Chris L. had in mind. Just glancing at the 
> code it says it pertains to WLC and it has Morph and Segmentation in the 
> name. That’s quite a clue.
> 
> The code has a construct I’ve seen wrt to footnotes and strongs numbers, 
> though I don’t what it does or how it is used. (within a verse buf is 
> set to 1 for the first seg and 2 for the next and so on. tagText is the 
> text content of the seg element.)
> 
> module->getEntryAttributes()["Morpheme"][buf]["body"] = tagText;
> 
> If it parallels footnotes, strongs, … then perhaps it is a numerical 
> superscript that when clicked on brings up the segment. I don’t think 
> that makes sense. Unless someone can make sense of it, I don’t think 
> it’s worthy of documenting in the wiki.
> 
> Perhaps the following is a clue. It is the content of Genesis 1:1.
> <w><seg type="x-morph">בְּ</seg><seg type="x-morph">רֵאשִׁ֖ית</seg></w> 
> <w><seg type="x-morph">בָּרָ֣א</seg></w> <w><seg 
> type="x-morph">אֱלֹהִ֑ים</seg></w> <w><seg type="x-morph">אֵ֥ת</seg></w> 
> <w><seg type="x-morph">הַ</seg><seg type="x-morph">שָּׁמַ֖יִם</seg></w> <w><seg 
> type="x-morph">וְ</seg><seg type="x-morph">אֵ֥ת</seg></w> <w><seg 
> type="x-morph">הָ</seg><seg type="x-morph">אָֽרֶץ׃</seg></w>
> 
> It appears that each w (aka word) is made up of one or more seg 
> (segments). Each segment is marked as x-morph. While I took 7 credits of 
> Biblical Hebrew, I don’t remember a lick of it. I’m guessing that a 
> segment is part of the word that has meaning on its own.
> 
> DM
> 
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2017, at 5:14 PM, David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com 
>> <mailto:dfhdfh at protonmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I know it's still the holiday season, yet I would still like to have 
>> it explained what is the _difference in output_ that we should see 
>> when the *OSISMorphSegmentation* filter is applied.
>>
>> There are modules which have this specified in the .conf file, yet 
>> I've not seen any discernable difference in what (e.g.) *Xiphos* 
>> displays when this module option is ticked.
>> /Is that too much to ask?/
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> David
>>
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>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] OSISMorphSegmentation
>>> Local Time: 26 December 2017 12:10 PM
>>> UTC Time: 26 December 2017 12:10
>>> From: dfhdfh at protonmail.com <mailto:dfhdfh at protonmail.com>
>>> To: sword-devel mailing list <sword-devel at crosswire.org 
>>> <mailto:sword-devel at crosswire.org>>
>>>
>>> All very well if you're a C++ programmer, but "as clear as mud" to 
>>> those like me that aren't.
>>>
>>> What exactly is the intended difference in output with the filter 
>>> enabled?
>>>
>>> Where segments of a Hebrew word are in different seg elements, what 
>>> should I expect to see at the locations where the OSIS has 
>>> *</seg><seg.+>* ?
>>>
>>> Does the filter insert a space or some other character as a 
>>> *separator* between consecutive segments?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> David
>>>
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>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] OSISMorphSegmentation
>>>> Local Time: 25 December 2017 3:16 PM
>>>> UTC Time: 25 December 2017 15:16
>>>> From: dmsmith at crosswire.org <mailto:dmsmith at crosswire.org>
>>>> To: David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:dfhdfh at protonmail.com>>, SWORD Developers' Collaboration 
>>>> Forum <sword-devel at crosswire.org <mailto:sword-devel at crosswire.org>>
>>>>
>>>> All of the filters are in the folder 
>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/svn/sword/trunk/src/modules/filters/
>>>>
>>>> Each filter has a corresponding file who’s name is in lowercase with 
>>>> the extension of cpp.
>>>>
>>>> See: 
>>>> http://www.crosswire.org/svn/sword/trunk/src/modules/filters/osismorphsegmentation.cpp
>>>>
>>>> From the code:
>>>> SWFilter descendant to toggle splitting of
>>>> morphemes (for morpheme segmented Hebrew in
>>>> the WLC)
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 25, 2017, at 9:23 AM, David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:dfhdfh at protonmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to update the wiki page for OSIS Bibles 
>>>>> <https://crosswire.org/wiki/OSIS_Bibles#Marking_morpheme_segmentation>.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please would some one explain exactly what is looked for in the 
>>>>> OSIS XML for SWORD to actually filter something in the module for
>>>>>
>>>>> *GlobalOptionFilter=OSISMorphSegmentation*
>>>>>
>>>>> /We seemed to have overlooked the documentation requirements since 
>>>>> I first enquired almost 4 years ago/.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
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