[sword-devel] CrossWire lacks a Content Management System

[Chris Burrell]

All,

My first impression, albeit a few years ago, was the same thing. I found it
particularly hard to find my way around things. By chance I managed to
stumble across the Jira instance, but then lost it again when I was wanting
to see how much activity was happening. So whether a CMS or some other
solution is the best answer, I don't know. What would be good though

Just one example, try and find the page for JSword from  the home page. I
have just tried and haven't really been that successful. Also, the
"Developers" page http://crosswire.org/sword/develop/index.jsp encourages
you to click on a link, which takes you nowhere (i.e. to the same page). As
a result, you start wondering where the information is, or whether the link
is a broken link.

I'm not sure we want to ditch the whole lot, as there are a lot of good
things there, but it might make sense to revist the nagivation a bit and
maybe introduce a site map?

Chris


On 8 November 2010 09:17, Caleb Maclennan <caleb at alerque.com> wrote:

> Troy and Chris et all,
>
> I cannot speak for what David felt as the exact problem, but I can
> tell you why I jumped in with a comment. Troy it's hard to come up
> with a specific example because the problem might be best described as
> general discombobulation. The main crosswire site and the sword sub
> site are both navigational catastrophes. This happens over time as
> people come and go and projects eb and flow. I know how it is. The top
> level layout has lost focus and usefulness to newcomers and content
> has stagnated.
>
> Chris you mention the issue of balancing devel news / nightly snapshot
> type updates and releases that the public aught to be informed about.
> I realize this is an issue, but it was pointed out just last week on
> this list that the information for diatake on the site is some ten
> years old and there is no indication that it has actually been
> maintained to this day. Surely that's erring on the side of not enough
> up to date information.
>
> Also it was pointed on on another thread that there is a crosswire
> wiki. Even new module developers seem to miss that this exists. I
> looked and didn't see any reference to it on the crosswire home page.
> Furthermore a quick glace at each area shows massive duplication of
> content between the main site and the wiki, usually with the scales
> tipping to the wiki for being up to date. A little more poking shows
> even further duplication and even older content on the sword specific
> sub-site.
>
> Troy you mention the word involved in "committing to the maintenance
> of another framework". From the outside it looks like there are
> already at least a trio if not half a dozen frameworks that don't
> interact and are in various states of disrepair. I chimmed in on this
> thread because it sounded like David was suggesting getting all of the
> above under one heading so there is only one framework that actually
> CAN be reasonably maintained.
>
> Further thoughts?
>
> Caleb
>
> On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 14:49, Troy A. Griffitts <scribe at crosswire.org>
> wrote:
> > I agree with Chris on this issue.  CMS has been a debated topic in the
> past.
> >
> > From my conservative position, you must give a specific, real world
> > problem we currently have which is not easily solved with our current
> > infrastructure, or a real world benefit we are currently lacking because
> > we do not have something labeled a "CMS", for us to even consider
> > committing to the maintenance of another framework.
> >
> > Troy
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/06/2010 12:22 PM, Chris Little wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/6/2010 3:49 AM, David Haslam wrote:
> >>> We have an ftpmirror that does not keep track of updates to scripts and
> >>> other software tools that we host.
> >>
> >> What you're referring to here (linking directly to the SVN versions of
> >> perl scripts that we maintain) would be akin to replacing every single
> >> binary we provide with nightly builds. We don't need to be publishing an
> >> SVN commit that I made just over 12 hours ago when it hasn't even
> >> undergone testing beyond one or two USFM docs. The perl scripts change
> >> seldom and slowly, and they are used and tested by very few people.
> >>
> >> --Chris
> >>
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