[sword-devel] UI for Windows Question...

[Costas I. Stergiou]

Hi Chris,
I don't think JBuilder can produce executables (native). Actually,
no java app can be converted to an executable unless the executable
contains the whole JRE within. I am also using JBuilder from version 2
and I would agree that it's interface is quite good but still lacks
the native L&F. On the other hand, JBuilder is really faster than
other Java apps, an to be honest I have always wondered what Borland
has hacked into to make this happen, but I am sure that the code
that is produces is pure java classes with the usual behaviour.

What I said is just an opinion though and a personal choice from
my experience until now. Remember, I am primary a Java programmer (I
have JBuidler in me screen as I write this e-mail, I am at work now)
but I still believe that java is (unfortunately) not the way to go for a
windows GUI.

I am really new to this list/project so my opinion should not be
considered highly. I am happy though to participate in this conversation.
Thanks,
Costas

On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Chris wrote:

>
> I personally would sacrifice windows L&F for the cross-platform ability.
> Plus, JBuilder can produce native executables. I havn't tried
> benchmarking them,
> but I presume the JBuilder environment itself uses it, and it is very
> snappy.
>
> Costas I. Stergiou wrote:
>
> >Actually, my full time job is java dev and it is really my
> >favorite language for many reasons.
> >Well, the reason I would
> >not suggest java is because it is slow in the GUI, and does not provide
> >a real windows look and feel. All the Java GUI programs I have used are
> >indeed a bit slow and out of the windows feel. Also the JVM is not
> >standard within windows. It would have been much easier for me to
> >do my own work in Java (and I would have done in half the time propably)
> >but I think that every language is good at some stuff and windows GUI
> >is not what Java is for. I think that if you compare a native win GUI
> >with any Java GUI (look, responsiveness, etc) you will agree that the
> >diferrences are quite noteable.
> >
> >Costas
> >
> >On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Chris wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Costas I. Stergiou wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Some months ago I started on a software for personal use that would
> >>>help in bible study. Since my best knowledge is in Java (5 years now)
> >>>I started the implementation with it. Very soon I realized the (obvious)
> >>>fact that Java is NOT for the Desktop.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Why? My full time job is writing Java desktop (gui) software.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>I thought of VB (where I also have
> >>>experience) but I quickly dropped the idea since the code it
> >>>produces is really slow. I ended up with Delphi (since it is really
> >>>easier than C++) and now i have made a first version of a windows
> >>>software for bible study. One of the reasons I didn't go with some
> >>>of the already existing software is because none of these are quite
> >>>good at searching/handling greek text (I am Greek) and none of these
> >>>had a modern Greek translation which is the one most commonly used
> >>>here in Greece. Also personal notes was really important and no sw
> >>>gave real significance to that issue.
> >>>
> >>>I am married with one child, and my responsibilities leave my with
> >>>few time to work on this project. I would be really happy though if
> >>>I could help anyhow with this idea. I have recently put up a site
> >>>with the software which (unfortunately?) is in greek, though I have
> >>>made an english version of the software. If anyone would like to
> >>>check it out here is the link for the english version of the
> >>>software: http://www.theword.gr/bin/theword-en-0.99-full.exe
> >>>
> >>>I would be really happy if I could help out here in any way, either by
> >>>giving the code, some ideas on the platform or anything else I
> >>>could help with. I could also give some ideas about the Java platform
> >>>since it is my everyday work for years now.
> >>>
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>Costas
> >>>(once more, excuse me for my bad english)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Chris wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Jason Turner wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>Personally I'd rather see a Java version than .NET.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>So, to get to my point, I was considering writing a new UI in .NET. However,
> >>>>>.NET cannot utilize native C++ libraries. It can use Managed C++, C#, ActiveX
> >>>>>DLL's and native C libraries. Since I cannot use the Sword API as it stands,
> >>>>>I was considering reimplementing a subset of it in .NET, and then building
> >>>>>the UI on top of that. Of course releasing the whole thing under the GPL.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>So, I'm looking for comments. Does anyone have any other suggestions? Is there
> >>>>>anything that I have missed? Should I take a closer look at Diatheke or
> >>>>>ActiveDiatheke? Is someone else already working on a new Windows client?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Thanks.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Jason Turner
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On Monday 10 March 2003 09:27 pm, David Trotz wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>No the windows version does not allow this. Certain versions of the bible
> >>>>>>will automatically break the paragraph into seperate lines per verse, but
> >>>>>>other than that the answer is no. Sorry. It may be added someday. David
> >>>>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>From: Christopher Frazier
> >>>>>>To: sword-devel@crosswire.org
> >>>>>>Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 1:52 PM
> >>>>>>Subject: [sword-devel] UI for Windows Question...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I've been looking everywhere for this, and since I haven't found the
> >>>>>>archive to the lists, I guess I have to ask it here:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>How do you view the Bible text one verse per line in Sword for
> >>>>>>Windows?!?  BibleTime does this in an obvious way, but I cannot figure
> >>>>>>this out at all in Windows.  Does the program do this at all?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>TIA!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Chris
> >>>>>>
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