[osis-core] div type="date"

[Troy A. Griffitts]

That raises the question of whether or not we want date to allow a 
'general' value.  It's true we do have general, or 'container' values, 
such as: 2003, 2003.01, etc.  These do not specify an exact time, but 
rather a time narrowed down as far as is specified.  Does 'morning' mean 
'anytime between 06 and 12', or does it mean the precise time when the 
sun came up on that day?

I still say use 06 and let the client software decide: if (06 and we're 
talking about a 1st century hebrew conext) then display 'sunrise'.

Other things come to mind like:

<div type="date" value="09.00">about the 3rd hour of the day</div>

Why are we using div?  And not <date>?

	-Troy.



Todd Tillinghast wrote:
> Troy,
> 
> How would you differentiate between the general idea of "morning" and
> the precise idea of "6 AM"?  Seems like it would be ambiguous.
> 
> Todd
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: osis-core-admin@bibletechnologieswg.org [mailto:osis-core-
>>admin@bibletechnologieswg.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts
>>Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 11:34 AM
>>To: osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org
>>Subject: Re: [osis-core] div type="date"
>>
>>Sorry, this may be ignorant question/comments, but:
>>
>>Is there a reason for allowing AM PM at all, instead of:
>>
>>01.01 and 13.01
>>
>>and my opinion is that if you want 06 and 18 to mean sunrise and
> 
> sunset
> 
>>for a certain language, then you can interpret those time as such.
>>
>>
>>	-Troy.
>>
>>
>>
>>Todd Tillinghast wrote:
>>
>>>Chris,
>>>
>>>I think it would be nice to define as "canonical" at least one pair
>>
> or
> 
>>>values (morning/evening, AM/PM, etc...).  If I had to pick only one
>>
> I
> 
>>>would probably go with AM/PM (01.01.AM and 01.01.PM) and make
>>>(01.01!Morning/01.01!Evening and 01.01!Sunrise/01.01!Sunset) local
>>>extensions.  The idea being to encourage consistency.
>>>
>>>Naturally it would be possible for anyone to use 01.01!Matins but I
>>>think they might be more of a special case.
>>>
>>>Question: How should we identify this "reference system" we are
>>>constructing?  In the following example of what seems like a good
>>
> idea
> 
>>>to me, with the "reference system" being "Calendar"
>>>
>>><osisText osisWorkID="SpurgenMorningAndEvening" osisWorkRef="bible">
>>>	<work workID="SpurgenMorningAndEvening">
>>>		<title>Morning and Evening</title>
>>>		<author>Charles Spurgeon</author>
>>>		<referenceSystem>Calendar</referenceSystem>
>>>	</work>
>>>	<work workID="bible">
>>>		<referenceSystem>Bible</referenceSystem>
>>>	</work>
>>>	<div>
>>>		<div type="dailyReading" osisID="01.01.AM">
>>>			<reference osisRef="Gen.1.1"/>
>>>			...
>>>		</div>
>>>	</div>
>>></osisText>
>>>
>>>Is the above structure consistent with what everyone is thinking?
>>>
>>>It would seem that there should be a difference between a generic
>>
> day of
> 
>>>the year (01.01) and specific dates (2003.5.30)
>>>
>>>Todd
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: osis-core-admin@bibletechnologieswg.org [mailto:osis-core-
>>>>admin@bibletechnologieswg.org] On Behalf Of Chris Little
>>>>Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 1:13 AM
>>>>To: osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org
>>>>Subject: RE: [osis-core] div type="date"
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, 28 May 2003, Todd Tillinghast wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Vigils, Matins, Lauds, Terce, Sext, None, Vespers, & Compline are
>>>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>medieval prayer times.  Lauds/Vespers would probably be more
>>>>>
>>>precise
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>for both Sunrise/Sunset and AM/PM, but since no one knows those,
>>>>>
>>>I'm
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>not recommending them.
>>>>>
>>>>>What would this look like?  (01.01.Sunrise and 01.01.Sunset)?
>>>>
>>>>I guess that sounds semi-reasonable.  At least I haven't thought of
>>>>anything that seems better if we want to suggest all these times as
>>>>possibilities.
>>>>
>>>>Maybe these non-canonical dates ought to be expressed like
>>>
>>>01.01!Sunrise.
>>>
>>>
>>>>(And what about leap day?  That's clearly an apocryphal date.
>>>
> Sorry,
> 
>>>it
>>>
>>>
>>>>was too obvious to pass up.)
>>>>
>>>>Considering that Sunrise is the median point of the AM span and
>>>
> Sunset
> 
>>>is
>>>
>>>
>>>>the median point of the PM span, maybe we should just merge these
>>>
> into
> 
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>>>more general "Morning" & "Evening" and not specify whether it
>>>
>>>indicates
>>>
>>>
>>>>point or span.  If you need to be accurate, use a time.
>>>>
>>>>--Chris
>>>>
>>>>
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