[osis-core] div type="date"

[Todd Tillinghast]

Troy,

I am thinking about modern daily readings.  

Todd

> -----Original Message-----
> From: osis-core-admin@bibletechnologieswg.org [mailto:osis-core-
> admin@bibletechnologieswg.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 1:44 PM
> To: osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org
> Subject: Re: [osis-core] div type="date"
> 
> That raises the question of whether or not we want date to allow a
> 'general' value.  It's true we do have general, or 'container' values,
> such as: 2003, 2003.01, etc.  These do not specify an exact time, but
> rather a time narrowed down as far as is specified.  Does 'morning'
mean
> 'anytime between 06 and 12', or does it mean the precise time when the
> sun came up on that day?
> 
> I still say use 06 and let the client software decide: if (06 and
we're
> talking about a 1st century hebrew conext) then display 'sunrise'.
> 
> Other things come to mind like:
> 
> <div type="date" value="09.00">about the 3rd hour of the day</div>
> 
> Why are we using div?  And not <date>?
> 
> 	-Troy.
> 
> 
> 
> Todd Tillinghast wrote:
> > Troy,
> >
> > How would you differentiate between the general idea of "morning"
and
> > the precise idea of "6 AM"?  Seems like it would be ambiguous.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: osis-core-admin@bibletechnologieswg.org [mailto:osis-core-
> >>admin@bibletechnologieswg.org] On Behalf Of Troy A. Griffitts
> >>Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 11:34 AM
> >>To: osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org
> >>Subject: Re: [osis-core] div type="date"
> >>
> >>Sorry, this may be ignorant question/comments, but:
> >>
> >>Is there a reason for allowing AM PM at all, instead of:
> >>
> >>01.01 and 13.01
> >>
> >>and my opinion is that if you want 06 and 18 to mean sunrise and
> >
> > sunset
> >
> >>for a certain language, then you can interpret those time as such.
> >>
> >>
> >>	-Troy.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Todd Tillinghast wrote:
> >>
> >>>Chris,
> >>>
> >>>I think it would be nice to define as "canonical" at least one pair
> >>
> > or
> >
> >>>values (morning/evening, AM/PM, etc...).  If I had to pick only one
> >>
> > I
> >
> >>>would probably go with AM/PM (01.01.AM and 01.01.PM) and make
> >>>(01.01!Morning/01.01!Evening and 01.01!Sunrise/01.01!Sunset) local
> >>>extensions.  The idea being to encourage consistency.
> >>>
> >>>Naturally it would be possible for anyone to use 01.01!Matins but I
> >>>think they might be more of a special case.
> >>>
> >>>Question: How should we identify this "reference system" we are
> >>>constructing?  In the following example of what seems like a good
> >>
> > idea
> >
> >>>to me, with the "reference system" being "Calendar"
> >>>
> >>><osisText osisWorkID="SpurgenMorningAndEvening"
osisWorkRef="bible">
> >>>	<work workID="SpurgenMorningAndEvening">
> >>>		<title>Morning and Evening</title>
> >>>		<author>Charles Spurgeon</author>
> >>>		<referenceSystem>Calendar</referenceSystem>
> >>>	</work>
> >>>	<work workID="bible">
> >>>		<referenceSystem>Bible</referenceSystem>
> >>>	</work>
> >>>	<div>
> >>>		<div type="dailyReading" osisID="01.01.AM">
> >>>			<reference osisRef="Gen.1.1"/>
> >>>			...
> >>>		</div>
> >>>	</div>
> >>></osisText>
> >>>
> >>>Is the above structure consistent with what everyone is thinking?
> >>>
> >>>It would seem that there should be a difference between a generic
> >>
> > day of
> >
> >>>the year (01.01) and specific dates (2003.5.30)
> >>>
> >>>Todd
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: osis-core-admin@bibletechnologieswg.org [mailto:osis-core-
> >>>>admin@bibletechnologieswg.org] On Behalf Of Chris Little
> >>>>Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 1:13 AM
> >>>>To: osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org
> >>>>Subject: RE: [osis-core] div type="date"
> >>>>
> >>>>On Wed, 28 May 2003, Todd Tillinghast wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>Vigils, Matins, Lauds, Terce, Sext, None, Vespers, & Compline
are
> >>>>>
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>medieval prayer times.  Lauds/Vespers would probably be more
> >>>>>
> >>>precise
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>for both Sunrise/Sunset and AM/PM, but since no one knows those,
> >>>>>
> >>>I'm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>not recommending them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>What would this look like?  (01.01.Sunrise and 01.01.Sunset)?
> >>>>
> >>>>I guess that sounds semi-reasonable.  At least I haven't thought
of
> >>>>anything that seems better if we want to suggest all these times
as
> >>>>possibilities.
> >>>>
> >>>>Maybe these non-canonical dates ought to be expressed like
> >>>
> >>>01.01!Sunrise.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>(And what about leap day?  That's clearly an apocryphal date.
> >>>
> > Sorry,
> >
> >>>it
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>was too obvious to pass up.)
> >>>>
> >>>>Considering that Sunrise is the median point of the AM span and
> >>>
> > Sunset
> >
> >>>is
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>the median point of the PM span, maybe we should just merge these
> >>>
> > into
> >
> >>>a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>more general "Morning" & "Evening" and not specify whether it
> >>>
> >>>indicates
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>point or span.  If you need to be accurate, use a time.
> >>>>
> >>>>--Chris
> >>>>
> >>>>
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