[osis-editors] Change for 2.0.1 Requested

[Patrick Durusau]

Jim,

Jim Schaad wrote:
> Patrick,
> 
> I am sorry, but you have missed the point.  Even if I replace <q> with
> <speech> I have the same issue.  I cannot milestone a transChange, and I
> cannot start a speech (or a quote) inside of a transChange.
> 
> Does that make it clear what I am talking about?
> 
Maybe. The reason why I suggested using the <q> element was to allow the 
use of <transChange>.

What I now understand is that my solution depended upon reading a 
different structure from the one you are reading in the text to adapt to 
the markup (rather than the other way around).

When you say:

 > I cannot milestone a transChange, and I
 > cannot start a speech (or a quote) inside of a transChange.

You do not mean that the <speech> or <q> should be contained inside the 
<transChange>? Correct?

In other words, what you are really looking for is for <transChange> to 
become milestoneable such that you can start a <q> or <speech> inside a 
<transChange>?

Taking your earlier example:

"Some <say, 'He is> John the Baptist,'

You want:

<q>Some <transChange sID="0101" type="added"/>say <q>He is<transChange 
eID="0101"> John the Baptist,</q></q>

So it is <transChange> being able to cross element boundaries (along 
with the appropriate content models) that is the issue?

Sorry, you're right, I missed that from the original post.

The other question will be, what advantages/disadvantages are there to 
the following:

<q>Some <transChange type="added">say</transChange><q><transChange 
type="added">He is</transChange> John the Baptist</q></q>

Captures the <transChange> without crossing the boundaries.

May need to look at where transChange can occur, presently:

catchWord
cell
chapter
closer
div
item
label
l
mentioned
p
q
rdg
salute
seg
speech
verse

Children of <transChange>

a
abbr
date
divineName
foreign
hi
index
lb
milestone
milestoneEnd
milestoneStart
name
note
reference
seg
w

Apologies for the length of this response. This is something we will 
need to look at during our next meeting and I wanted to capture as much 
information as possible on the issue.

Hope you are having a great day!

Patrick




> 
> jim
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Patrick Durusau [mailto:Patrick.Durusau@sbl-site.org] 
>>Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:39 AM
>>To: jimsch@nwlink.com
>>Cc: osis-editors@bibletechnologieswg.org
>>Subject: Re: [osis-editors] Change for 2.0.1 Requested
>>
>>
>>Jim,
>>
>>Jim Schaad wrote:
>>
>>>Gentlemen,
>>>
>>>I am trying to encode the following text (Matt 16:14):
>>>
>>>14They said, "Some <say, 'He is> John the Baptist,' but others, 
>>>'Elijah,' and others, 'Jeremiah or one of the prophets.'"
>>>
>>>In this text,  <..> should translate to <transChange type="added">  
>>>This means that I get
>>>
>>><verse osisID="Matt.16.14>
>>>They said, <q>Some <transChange type="added"> say, <q 
>>>sID="Matt.16.14.q.1"/>He is</transChange> <name 
>>
>>type="human">John the 
>>
>>>Baptist</name>,<q eID="Matt.16.14.q.1"/> but others, <q><name 
>>>type="human">Elijah</name>,</q> and others, <q><name 
>>>type="human">Jeremiah</name> or one of the prophets.</q></q></verse>
>>>
>>Based on the NIV, which is what is closer at the moment, I am 
>>not sure 
>>about your division into quotes. Rather than quotes the portions John 
>>the Baptist, Elijah, etc. are reports of speech and not 
>>quotations. The 
>>overall content of the verse following "They said" is a quotation.
>>
>>Thus,
>>
>><verse osisID="Matt.16.14>
>>They said, <q>Some say, <q 
>>sID="Matt.16.14.q.1"/><transChange>He is</transChange> <name 
>>type="human">John the
>>Baptist</name>, but others, <name
>>type="human">Elijah</name>, and others, <name 
>>type="human">Jeremiah</name> or one of the prophets.</q></verse>
>>
>>Quote always allows <transChange> to be a child element.
>>
>>Does that help or have I missed the mark?
>>
>>Hope you are having a great day!
>>
>>Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>The problem with this is that <transChange> does not allow a <q> 
>>>element to appear in it.
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Patrick Durusau
>>Director of Research and Development
>>Society of Biblical Literature
>>Patrick.Durusau@sbl-site.org
>>Chair, V1 - Text Processing: Office and Publishing Systems 
>>Interface Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model
>>
>>Topic Maps: Human, not artificial, intelligence at work!
>>
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Patrick Durusau
Director of Research and Development
Society of Biblical Literature
Patrick.Durusau@sbl-site.org
Chair, V1 - Text Processing: Office and Publishing Systems Interface
Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model

Topic Maps: Human, not artificial, intelligence at work!