[sword-devel] Module release: LXX

Thu Jan 23 13:16:55 EST 2025

Ah, okay, does it mean that the module LXX 3.0 has just versification
differences (or more or less only those) compared to version 2.5?

Best, Zoltan

Arnaud Vié <unas.zole+avie at gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2025. jan. 23.,
Cs, 18:42):

> Cyrille, I think what you are talking about are the versification mappings.
>
> I'm familiar only with the JSword implementation, which is there : https://github.com/AndBible/jsword/blob/develop/src/main/java/org/crosswire/jsword/versification/VersificationsMapper.java
>
> It relies on mapping files describing how verses map from one
> versification to KJV (or to KJVA, since my contribution on the andbible
> fork), such as this one :
> https://github.com/AndBible/jsword/blob/develop/src/main/resources/org/crosswire/jsword/versification/Catholic2.properties
> Any application can instantiate the VersificationsMapper to convert
> references from any versification system to any other (using KJVA as pivot).
> AndBible does, for example - and therefore can today seamlessly align two
> screens displaying two bibles using completely different versifications.
>
> This feature exists as well in the C++ libsword (I see some related code
> in versificationmgr.cpp ), though I can't help on that part.
>
> So I fully agree with Cyrille : I don't think preserving bibles in a
> "wrong" versification is a good idea, given that we have a powerful
> versification mapping feature that negates this need.
> The better way to go is to make sure this versification mapping feature is
> easy to implement and well documented, for applications to use it with
> minimal effort.
>
> (As a side note, I proposed early last year a set of principles to design
> a modular versification system, precisely to improve the accuracy of these
> versification mappings while reducing the burden of maintaining dozens of
> versifications, which is still waiting for feedback.
> cf. http://crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/2024-February/049957.html )
>
> Cheers,
>
> Arnaud
>
>
> Le jeu. 23 janv. 2025 à 18:14, Fr Cyrille <fr.cyrille at tiberiade.be> a
> écrit :
>
>> It seems to me that there is a tool or file that allows you to have the
>> equivalent verses of all Bibles with the kjv when displayed in parallel.
>> (someone can help me?).
>> Personally, I'm not too keen on creating a module that uses kjv
>> versification for the LXX. Because it doesn't correspond to any paper
>> version.
>>
>>
>> Le 23/01/2025 à 16:57, Kovács Zoltán a écrit :
>>
>> Dear Team,
>> I restart this thread to ask a related question.
>> For more than 2 years I have been using LXX version 2.5 in my Sword based
>> application to have the old text available for research. But now I would
>> like to try the new version 3.0 as well, to be available at the same time.
>> Question: Would it be possible to make LXX version 2.5 available under a
>> different module name (e.g. LXX25) on Crosswire's module server, to allow
>> using both without any difficulty? Maybe this would be beneficial for other
>> users than me. If not, I can of course do some hacking in my application
>> and rename LXX version 2.5 to LXX25 internally, and then download 3.0 as
>> the new official LXX.
>> Thanks and blessings, Zoltan
>>
>>
>> Kovács Zoltán <kovzol at gmail.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2022. szept. 1., Cs,
>> 18:46):
>>
>>> Fr Cyrille <fr.cyrille at tiberiade.be> ezt írta (időpont: 2022. szept.
>>> 1., Cs, 12:27):
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le 01/09/2022 à 12:19, Kovács Zoltán a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> Plus:
>>>> It seems some verse numberings are different.
>>>> E.g., version 2.5: Psalms 18:47 = version 3.0: Psalms 17:48
>>>> For me, such changes break several parts of the database.
>>>> Is there a list of such modifications available?
>>>> Thanks, Zoltan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The new module use the new versification, LXX. You can see the new v11n
>>>> in the sword's sources.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the information! I understand that 2.5 uses KJV (as default),
>>> so I have all entries in KJV v11n in my database.
>>> Is there a simple way to convert a KJV verse notation into LXX v11n? I
>>> learned that using VerseKey is a possible way,
>>> but I just want to keep my working method via
>>> SWModule *module = (SWMgr) library.getModule("LXX")
>>> and force using KJV v11n also if 3.0 is used.
>>> Thanks for advising me further.
>>> Best, Zoltan
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>    - Z. K. “A note on Erdős's mysterious remark”. arXiv:2412.05190v2
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>>    (9 December, 2024).
>>    - Z. K. and Reinhard Oldenburg. “A Technological Approach to Teaching
>>    Inequalities, Propositional and Predicate Logic”. In: 9th
>>    International Workshop on Satisfiability Checking and Symbolic
>>    Computation, July 2, 2024, Nancy, France, Collocated with IJCAR 2024.
>>    Ed. by Chris Brown, Daniela Kaufmann, Cláudia Nalon, Alexander Steen, and Martin
>>    Suda. 3717 vols. July 2, 2024, pp. 122–131. eprint:
>>    http://ceur-ws.org/Vol-3717/paper7.pdf.
>>    - Z. K., Tomás Recio and M. Pilar Vélez. “On automated completion of
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>>    Intelligence (December 27, 2024).
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*Private University of Education, Diocese Linz**Salesianumweg 3, 4020 Linz*
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*Aktuelle Veröffentlichungen:*

   - Z. K. “A note on Erdős's mysterious remark”. arXiv:2412.05190v2
   <https://www.researchgate.net/publication/386555316_A_note_on_Erdos%27s_mysterious_remark>
   (9 December, 2024).
   - Z. K. and Reinhard Oldenburg. “A Technological Approach to Teaching
   Inequalities, Propositional and Predicate Logic”. In: 9th International
   Workshop on Satisfiability Checking and Symbolic Computation, July 2,
   2024, Nancy, France, Collocated with IJCAR 2024. Ed. by Chris Brown,
   Daniela Kaufmann, Cláudia Nalon, Alexander Steen, and Martin Suda. 3717
   vols. July 2, 2024, pp. 122–131. eprint:
   http://ceur-ws.org/Vol-3717/paper7.pdf.
   - Z. K., Tomás Recio and M. Pilar Vélez. “On automated completion of
   geometry statements and proofs with GeoGebra Discovery
   <https://rdcu.be/d411I>”. Annals of Mathematics and Artificial
   Intelligence (December 27, 2024).
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