<div dir="ltr">Ah, okay, does it mean that the module LXX 3.0 has just versification differences (or more or less only those) compared to version 2.5?<div><br></div><div>Best, Zoltan</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Arnaud Vié <<a href="mailto:unas.zole%2Bavie@gmail.com">unas.zole+avie@gmail.com</a>> ezt írta (időpont: 2025. jan. 23., Cs, 18:42):<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Cyrille, I think what you are talking about are the versification mappings.<br><br></div><div>I'm familiar only with the JSword implementation, which is there : <a href="https://github.com/AndBible/jsword/blob/develop/src/main/java/org/crosswire/jsword/versification/VersificationsMapper.java" target="_blank">https://github.com/AndBible/jsword/blob/develop/src/main/java/org/crosswire/jsword/versification/VersificationsMapper.java </a><br></div><div>It relies on mapping files describing how verses map from one versification to KJV (or to KJVA, since my contribution on the andbible fork), such as this one : <a href="https://github.com/AndBible/jsword/blob/develop/src/main/resources/org/crosswire/jsword/versification/Catholic2.properties" target="_blank">https://github.com/AndBible/jsword/blob/develop/src/main/resources/org/crosswire/jsword/versification/Catholic2.properties</a></div><div>Any application can instantiate the VersificationsMapper to convert references from any versification system to any other (using KJVA as pivot).</div><div>AndBible does, for example - and therefore can today seamlessly align two screens displaying two bibles using completely different versifications.<br></div><div><br></div><div>This feature exists as well in the C++ libsword (I see some related code in versificationmgr.cpp ), though I can't help on that part.<br></div><div><div><br></div><div>So I fully agree with Cyrille : I don't think preserving bibles in a "wrong" versification is a good idea, given that we have a powerful versification mapping feature that negates this need.</div><div>The better way to go is to make sure this versification mapping feature is easy to implement and well documented, for applications to use it with minimal effort.</div><div><br></div><div>(As a side note, I proposed early last year a set of principles to design a modular versification system, precisely to improve the accuracy of these versification mappings while reducing the burden of maintaining dozens of versifications, which is still waiting for feedback.<br></div><div>cf. <a href="http://crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/2024-February/049957.html" target="_blank">http://crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/2024-February/049957.html</a> )<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Arnaud<br></div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le jeu. 23 janv. 2025 à 18:14, Fr Cyrille <<a href="mailto:fr.cyrille@tiberiade.be" target="_blank">fr.cyrille@tiberiade.be</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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It seems to me that there is a tool or file that allows you to have
the equivalent verses of all Bibles with the kjv when displayed in
parallel. (someone can help me?).<br>
Personally, I'm not too keen on creating a module that uses kjv
versification for the LXX. Because it doesn't correspond to any
paper version.<br>
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<div>Le 23/01/2025 à 16:57, Kovács Zoltán a
écrit :<br>
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<div>Dear Team,</div>
<div>I restart this thread to ask a related question.</div>
<div>For more than 2 years I have been using LXX version 2.5
in my Sword based application to have the old text available
for research. But now I would like to try the new version
3.0 as well, to be available at the same time.</div>
<div>Question: Would it be possible to make LXX version 2.5
available under a different module name (e.g. LXX25) on
Crosswire's module server, to allow using both without any
difficulty? Maybe this would be beneficial for other users
than me. If not, I can of course do some hacking in my
application and rename LXX version 2.5 to LXX25 internally,
and then download 3.0 as the new official LXX.</div>
<div>Thanks and blessings, Zoltan</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Kovács Zoltán <<a href="mailto:kovzol@gmail.com" target="_blank">kovzol@gmail.com</a>>
ezt írta (időpont: 2022. szept. 1., Cs, 18:46):<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Fr Cyrille <<a href="mailto:fr.cyrille@tiberiade.be" target="_blank">fr.cyrille@tiberiade.be</a>>
ezt írta (időpont: 2022. szept. 1., Cs, 12:27):<br>
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<div>Le 01/09/2022 à 12:19, Kovács Zoltán a
écrit :<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Plus:
<div>It seems some verse numberings are
different.</div>
<div>E.g., version 2.5: Psalms 18:47 = version
3.0: Psalms 17:48</div>
<div>For me, such changes break several parts
of the database.</div>
<div>Is there a list of such modifications
available?</div>
<div>Thanks, Zoltan</div>
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The new module use the new versification, LXX. You
can see the new v11n in the sword's sources.<br>
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<div>Thanks for the information! I understand that 2.5
uses KJV (as default), so I have all entries in KJV
v11n in my database.</div>
<div>Is there a simple way to convert a KJV verse
notation into LXX v11n? I learned that using
VerseKey is a possible way,</div>
<div>but I just want to keep my working method via<br>
SWModule *module = (SWMgr) library.getModule("LXX")</div>
<div>and force using KJV v11n also if 3.0 is used.</div>
<div>Thanks for advising me further.</div>
<div>Best, Zoltan</div>
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