[sword-devel] Correction for KJV module in 2 Corinthians 1:8

Mon Jan 16 17:10:30 EST 2023

Thanks Troy,

Your link is to the Talk page for the KJV 2.6 project under DM's user profile.

Today, I've identified the email message that I sent to DM Smith on 2016-01-21 which included an attachment Zip file containing the updated source text which he used to prepare KJV version 2.9 for its release. This was the release immediately preceding your (out-of-band) necessaryintervention that resulted in the present release version 2.10.2. The Talk page has not been updated in the light of that release, so references in section headings to 2.10 have become out-of-sync with actual version numbers. Part way down the Talk page is a line which reads:

Everything below here is yet to be done.

That's still true. Lots of detailed emails on the project were exchanged between myself and DM since then, but none of them has resulted in a further official release.

NB. Much of the work I did during the last 12 years is stored on my old Windows 7 PC that began to show symptoms of hard drive problems last September. I'd already transferred my Thunderbird email profile to my new Windows 11 PC just after it was acquired at the end of December 2021. A large number of other files have not been transferred, though they were being backed up in the cloud via Carbonite.

I will try to elicit a response from DM via other channels. He mentioned much more than a year ago that he has not been keeping on top of CrossWire related emails - especially those from mailing lists - for quite a long while.

Best regards,

David

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------- Original Message -------
On Monday, January 16th, 2023 at 9:34 PM, Troy A. Griffitts <scribe at crosswire.org> wrote:

> Hey guys. A few points of clarity.
>
> We do make the source available from our wiki page regarding the work.
>
> https://wiki.crosswire.org/User:Dmsmith/KJV_2.6
>
> You will find a link to the source somewhere on that page.
>
> DM Smith took over that work after we finished the KJV2003 work to manually add the Strongs numbers to the NT. He still holds that pumpkin. It seems he has been away for quite some time though, so maybe we can discuss if anyone feels called to take over that work and we can ask DM how he feels about that.
>
> I would like to keep our official version, which is the source for almost every KJV digital text out in the wild with Strongs numbers, under our control for quality assurance, so at git.crosswire.org, but certainly we've never had the intention to conceal the source. We want people to use it. That's why we made it!
>
> Troy
>
> On January 16, 2023 1:24:17 PM PST, Robert Hunt <hunt.robertj at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Michael for that (although I haven't heard of the Beaver Scriptures and my search engines gave no help).
>>
>> Even here in New Zealand where we're still (sort of) under the King, no one here would consider not using the KJV, and we most certainly wouldn't be anticipating a court case if we used it in an app.
>>
>> I'm sure there's many silent listeners/readers/list-lurkers here like me who would find 1/ some of the views on copyright expressed earlier on the list very one-sided and out of character for an org like CrossWire, and 2/ find the secrecy even more out of character, and 3/ finding the UK-centric character of some of the discussion quite out of character for an org with so many international resources (and even for me in a British CommonWealth country it seems strangely narrow).
>>
>> Can the source text at least be passed to someone outside of the UK to place onto GitHub? I'll volunteer (or I'm sure many others would also).
>>
>> Let's get the Bible out to more people, and with more accuracy and more linked resources.
>>
>> Blessings,
>> Robert Hunt
>> Freely-Given.org
>>
>> On 17/01/23 10:01, Michael Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/16/23 06:23, David Haslam wrote:
>>>
>>>> And yes - it remains the case that the text of the KJV is protected by Royal Letters Patent within the United Kingdom, and that in principle, this copyright assertion should be upheld by subsequent mutual treaties in those nations that were signatories of the Berne Convention.
>>>
>>> A minor correction with major implications: The KJV and Book of Common Prayer Letters Patent are NOT a copyright with respect to the Berne Convention. Those have no legal effect outside of the UK. Full stop. BS/BFBS opinions notwithstanding. The latter organization, and especially certain persons within them, have already proven that it is willing to stretch copyright law to the extent of committing copyfraud, so I don't trust their opinions. Case in point: the Beaver Scriptures. One could also argue that King James said nothing about digital copies, but only printing, which is not necessarily a lame point. All REAL copyrights expire. The term may exceed a lifetime, but they do expire.
>>>
>>> In the unlikely event that I wanted to print KJV Bibles and import them into England or Wales, or if I wanted to print them within those countries, I would care about the very old Letters Patent about that. In no other case do they affect me or my Bible distribution decisions. There is no evidence of anyone trying to enforce those Letters Patent outside of England and Wales, except perhaps in other parts of the UK, let alone succeeding. I have, however, had a two Bible Societies challenge some texts I have online. In one case, I produced written permission to share the text. In the other, I produced evidence that the work was permanently and irrevocably in the Public Domain. I'm very careful about copyright law, and fully aware of its extreme complexity in an international context. I'm also not intimidated by [copyfraud](https://www.nyulawreview.org/issues/volume-81-number-3/copyfraud/).
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