<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;">Thanks Troy,</div><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;">Your link is to the Talk page for the <b>KJV 2.6 project</b> under DM's user profile.</div><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;">Today, I've identified the email message that I sent to DM Smith on 2016-01-21 which included an attachment Zip file containing the updated source text which he used to prepare KJV version 2.9 for its release. This was the release immediately preceding your (out-of-band) <span style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !important">necessary<span> </span></span>intervention that resulted in the present release version 2.10.2. The Talk page has not been updated in the light of that release, so references in section headings to 2.10 have become out-of-sync with actual version numbers. Part way down the Talk page is a line which reads:</div><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><span><i>Everything below here is yet to be done.</i></span><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;">That's still true. Lots of detailed emails on the project were exchanged between myself and DM since then, but none of them has resulted in a further official release.</div><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: normal;">NB. Much of the work I did during the last 12 years is stored on my old Windows 7 PC that began to show symptoms of hard drive problems last September. I'd already transferred my Thunderbird email profile to my new Windows 11 PC just after it was acquired at the end of December 2021. A large number of other files have not been transferred, though they were being backed up in the cloud via Carbonite.</span></div><div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><br></div>
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<div class="protonmail_signature_block-user">I will try to elicit a response from DM via other channels. He mentioned much more than a year ago that he has not been keeping on top of CrossWire related emails - especially those from mailing lists - for quite a long while.</div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user"><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user">
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On Monday, January 16th, 2023 at 9:34 PM, Troy A. Griffitts <scribe@crosswire.org> wrote:<br><br>
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Hey guys. A few points of clarity.<br><br>We do make the source available from our wiki page regarding the work.<br><br><a href="https://wiki.crosswire.org/User:Dmsmith/KJV_2.6" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://wiki.crosswire.org/User:Dmsmith/KJV_2.6</a><br><br>You will find a link to the source somewhere on that page.<br><br>DM Smith took over that work after we finished the KJV2003 work to manually add the Strongs numbers to the NT. He still holds that pumpkin. It seems he has been away for quite some time though, so maybe we can discuss if anyone feels called to take over that work and we can ask DM how he feels about that.<br><br>I would like to keep our official version, which is the source for almost every KJV digital text out in the wild with Strongs numbers, under our control for quality assurance, so at git.crosswire.org, but certainly we've never had the intention to conceal the source. We want people to use it. That's why we made it!<br><br>Troy <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On January 16, 2023 1:24:17 PM PST, Robert Hunt <hunt.robertj@gmail.com> wrote:<blockquote style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">
<p>Thanks Michael for that (although I haven't heard of the Beaver
Scriptures and my search engines gave no help).<br>
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<p>Even here in New Zealand where we're still (sort of) under the
King, no one here would consider not using the KJV, and we most
certainly wouldn't be anticipating a court case if we used it in
an app.</p>
<p>I'm sure there's many silent listeners/readers/list-lurkers here
like me who would find 1/ some of the views on copyright expressed
earlier on the list very one-sided and out of character for an org
like CrossWire, and 2/ find the secrecy even more out of
character, and 3/ finding the UK-centric character of some of the
discussion quite out of character for an org with so many
international resources (and even for me in a British CommonWealth
country it seems strangely narrow).</p>
<p>Can the source text at least be passed to someone outside of the
UK to place onto GitHub? I'll volunteer (or I'm sure many others
would also).<br>
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<p>Let's get the Bible out to more people, and with more accuracy
and more linked resources.</p>
<p>Blessings,<br>
Robert Hunt<br>
Freely-Given.org<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17/01/23 10:01, Michael Johnson
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<div>And yes - it remains the case that the text of the KJV is
protected by Royal Letters Patent within the United Kingdom,
and that in principle, this copyright assertion should be
upheld by subsequent mutual treaties in those nations that
were signatories of the Berne Convention.</div>
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<p>A minor correction with major implications: The KJV and Book of
Common Prayer Letters Patent are NOT a copyright with respect to
the Berne Convention. Those have no legal effect outside of the
UK. Full stop. BS/BFBS opinions notwithstanding. The latter
organization, and especially certain persons within them, have
already proven that it is willing to stretch copyright law to
the extent of committing copyfraud, so I don't trust their
opinions. Case in point: the Beaver Scriptures. One could also
argue that King James said nothing about digital copies, but
only printing, which is not necessarily a lame point. All REAL
copyrights expire. The term may exceed a lifetime, but they do
expire.<br>
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<p>In the unlikely event that I wanted to print KJV Bibles and
import them into England or Wales, or if I wanted to print them
within those countries, I would care about the very old Letters
Patent about that. In no other case do they affect me or my
Bible distribution decisions. There is no evidence of anyone
trying to enforce those Letters Patent outside of England and
Wales, except perhaps in other parts of the UK, let alone
succeeding. I have, however, had a two Bible Societies challenge
some texts I have online. In one case, I produced written
permission to share the text. In the other, I produced evidence
that the work was permanently and irrevocably in the Public
Domain. I'm very careful about copyright law, and fully aware of
its extreme complexity in an international context. I'm also not
intimidated by <a href="https://www.nyulawreview.org/issues/volume-81-number-3/copyfraud/" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">copyfraud</a>.<br>
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