[sword-devel] Qetiv/Kere in output ?

[pierre amadio]

Hi there.

The main point would be to at least have the information somewhere in
the html/osis output. I do not know what should be the best format.
Right now, the information is present in the original osis format in a
note node located just next to the word it is associated to (I would
have think having the note node included within the <w> node it refers
to instead of next to may be more practical), but not present in any
xml/html output.

It guess the data could be organised as  what is done for the japanese
furigana system indeed.

<ruby><rb>qetiv</rb><rt>kere</rt></ruby>

It should be up to the frontend to choose how to display the
information. For japanese furigana, usually the kana (こ/kere) are
written on top of the kanji (子/qetiv), sometimes next to it in
parenthesis. For the hebrew bible the BHS write the qere in the
margin:
https://twitter.com/lettlander/status/1178929180974735365

An other way I saw consist in including the the kere in [brackets]
next to what is written.





On Fri, 6 May 2022 at 12:17, Peter von Kaehne <refdoc at gmx.net> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> To the best of my knowledge this has not been implemented in the engine but should be easy to get done.
>
> If you describe to me how this should ideally look would be very helpful. I do remember staring at this pack of implementation a few times and then moving on as I had other things to do and did not know what to do in the first place.
>
> To give you some background: the engine translates the OSIS xml into html/xhtml and in latter years we have tried to make this as flexible as possible by using largely a CSS directed graphical representation instead of hard coding anything into the resultant html.
>
> So, the questions I need answering are
>
> 1) should this always be visible in both versions ? Or should it get toggled as a text option like so many other options?
>
> 2) inline or stacked ? Stacked means like strongs etc .
>
> I guess the closest equivalent to it in existing code is the Ruby annotation we have in Japanese. That gives a reading in Japanese syllabary writing to otherwise possibly difficult to pronounce Chinese script signs. Look at our Japanese Bibles to see what I mean.
>
> Peter
>
> Sent from my phone. Please forgive misspellings and weird “corrections”
>
> > On 6 May 2022, at 07:24, pierre amadio <amadio.pierre at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi there !
> >
> > I have a problem dealing with Qere and ketiv
> > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qere_and_Ketiv) with xml/html output.
> >
> > In the Hebrew bible, there are some words that are pronounced,
> > according to the tradition, in a different way than what is actually
> > written.
> >
> > There is the ketiv what is written, and the qere, what is read out lout.
> >
> > There is such a thing in Ruth 1.8
> >
> > https://biblehub.com/interlinear/ruth/1-8.htm
> >
> > Ketiv: יעשה
> > Qere: (יַעַשׂ)
> >
> > The Osis file shows this:
> > <w lemma="strong:H06213" morph="oshm:HVqi3ms"
> > type="x-ketiv">יעשה</w><note
> > type="variant"><catchWord>יעשה</catchWord><rdg type="x-qere"><w
> > lemma="strong:H06213" morph="oshm:HVqj3ms">יַ֣עַשׂ</w></rdg></note>
> >
> > The plain output of diatheke show both entry in bracket as a footnote:
> >
> > diatheke -b OSHB -o cvfa -f plain -k Ruth 1.8
> > Ruth 1:8: וַתֹּ֤אמֶר נָעֳמִי֙ לִשְׁתֵּ֣י כַלֹּתֶ֔יהָ לֵ֣כְנָה
> > שֹּׁ֔בְנָה אִשָּׁ֖ה לְבֵ֣ית אִמָּ֑הּ יעשה [יעשהיַ֣עַשׂ]  יְהוָ֤ה
> > עִמָּכֶם֙ חֶ֔סֶד כַּאֲשֶׁ֧ר עֲשִׂיתֶ֛ם עִם־הַמֵּתִ֖ים וְעִמָּדִֽי׃
> > (OSHB)
> >
> >
> > I do not see the same information in the html or xhtml or osis output:
> > $ diatheke -b OSHB -o cvfa -f FMT_HTML -k Ruth 1.8
> >
> > <w  savlm="strong:H06213" type="x-ketiv">יעשה</w><note
> > swordFootnote="1" type="variant"></note>
> >
> > Is there a way to get a xml/html output that let me get access to both
> > qere and ketiv form ?
> >
> > If not, is that a Sword bug that should be open, or could it be dealt
> > with in the way the Osis file is formatted in the first place ?
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