[sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots

Tue Jun 1 08:03:59 EDT 2021

Tobias (et al),

I've downloaded the Win32 code and had a successful compile.  As I tried to
implement the dll in a Web application I found that I also had to compile
the c++ code (libsword) in order to use the c# dll.  Not a problem but as I
was setting up my new computer with the rather cumbersome c++ environment it
occurred to me that it might be easier to ask for help.

I'm wondering if it's possible to get a compiled dll from another developer
that will run (safely and securely) in my environment. 

Since I don't have any other reasons to develop in c++ at this time I might
be able to avoid the gyrations of getting everything downloaded and
configured.  It seems that there might be others who would also be
interested in c# development who would also be benefitted from it. With that
I'm also wondering if the appropriate dlls (from c++ source code) might be
included in a later version of the Win32 code on Github.

I'm just getting familiar with the code so I don't know how much I'm really
asking.  Is it a simple matter to get a copy of the dlls from someone else
or do I have to compile myself in my own environment?

Thanks,

Jeff

From: sword-devel [mailto:sword-devel-bounces at crosswire.org] On Behalf Of
Jeff Becker
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 4:28 AM
To: 'SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum'
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots

Tobias,

Thank you for the feedback. I agree that the parabible is as similar to what
I'm trying to accomplish as anything I've found so far.  I will definitely
contact the author.

Regarding the DLLs, since Win32 is reaching the end of its support I'd like
to update to 64-bit technology including later versions of .Net framework.
Doing so may provide significant improvements in ease of programming and
performance.  If it's all right with you I'll try to start with the Win32
code that you have on GitHub and work from there.  I'd appreciate hearing
your thoughts and goals for that code when it was created so I can keep with
that as much as is practical.  However, I would like to keep an open mind.
Sometimes it might be more advantageous to start fresh in order to take full
advantage of changing technologies.

I would also appreciate any guidance in keeping with SWORD protocols and
practices so that any work that is done can be readily used by others.

I think I have what I need to get started.  After I'm familiar with the
available code I'll come back with any design / redesign questions for
discussion.

Thanks again to all for the help,

Jeff

From: sword-devel [mailto:sword-devel-bounces at crosswire.org] On Behalf Of
Tobias Klein
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 4:55 AM
To: sword-devel at crosswire.org
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots

Hi Jeff,

I have recently discovered this:

https://github.com/parabible/parabible-client

https://parabible.com/

Maybe you should contact the author ... seems similar to what you have been
describing and showing ... also webserver / webclient based architecture.

Regarding a functioning SWORD build for Windows (DLLs built with latest MSVS
compilers ...) - have a look here:

https://github.com/ezra-bible-app/sword-build-win32

A general thought regarding web-based frontends ...
There are now web components since a few years - a standard that enables
easier re-use of web-based components across applications.
Have a look here:

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Web_Components

I have been starting to use web components in Ezra Bible App ... and if you
also work on certain frontend components maybe there is a possibility for
sharing things!

Best regards,
Tobias

On 5/23/21 3:19 AM, Jeff Becker wrote:

Thank you for the feedback (not included here).  

I think I've figured out what I'd like to do:

1.       Stay with Web delivery of this content

1.       Screenshot_1
<http://bible.fiveviews.net/Images/ScreenShots/Screenshot_2021-05-15-20-33-0
4.png>        Screenshot_2
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3.png>        Screenshot 3
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4.png>       Screenshot 4
<http://bible.fiveviews.net/Images/ScreenShots/Screenshot_2021-05-15-20-53-4
0.png>       (see details below)

2.       Implement the Crosswire / SWORD Project content (adhering to all
applicable licensing)

1.       Including multilingual content and flexibility (English only seems
short-sighted)

3.       Continue developing in ASP.Net / IIS / Visual Studio / CLR

1.       Even after considering all of the suggestions and reviewing
available applications (partly because it's my wheelhouse)

4.       Develop reusable code for the MS platform and make it available for
download              

1.       I'd like to see a wrapper that parallels the existing Crosswire /
SWORD Project code base so that developers can easily implement it in VS20xx

2.       Possibly a dll that runs under MS Common Language Runtime (CLR) so
that it's readily available for C#, VB, C++, etc. developers (I'm not sure
if just making source code available is enough)

5.       Find or develop a database of English (or any available language)
words derived from Biblical Greek words

1.       Does anyone know anything about 'English derivatives from the Greek
New Testament' by Charles Van der Pool?

So, if that's acceptable, I could use some help getting started:

6.       Advice from others who have developed in Visual Studio (the latest
code that I was able to find was for VS 2013)

7.       A document or Wiki that would get content available in Windows 10,
Windows Server 2019, etc.

8.       Instructions on how to make this compliant with Crosswire / SWORD
Project standards including licensing of content

Thanks again for any help you can provide.

Jeff Becker

From: sword-devel [mailto:sword-devel-bounces at crosswire.org] On Behalf Of
Jeff Becker
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2021 9:09 PM
To: 'SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum'
Subject: [sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots

Here are some screenshots of the Greek/Hebrew Reader that I've been
describing.

Some points of interest:

1.       'guid=' in URL just indicates the user id used as a record key for
preferences and bookmarks on the server;

2.       Navigation buttons shift to left for Hebrew to be out of the way as
much as possible;

3.       Bookmark is stored when a verse reference number is
clicked/touched;

4.       Shaded bookmark (paperclip) button: shaded at top means that server
has outdated info, bottom means bookmarks need to be downloaded;

5.       Font enlarge and shrink buttons (per device basis);

6.       Arrow buttons: up/down to top/bottom; center button scrolls to
current bookmark; left goes to previous chapter/book; right to next
chapter/book;

7.       Banner at top displays relevant information and links (I'd like to
make this customizable for readers of varying skill levels);

8.       Options panel displays when bookmark (paperclip) is clicked;

9.       'Select / Go To Bookmark' displays select of stored bookmarks (per
user based on guid, see additional screenshot);

10.   Books are marked as 'Done' when on the last chapter of the book and
the 'Next Chapter/Book' button is selected;

11.   Reading plan is selected through select prompt;

12.   Red text on Upload / Download buttons shows that client or server has
later information (also displayed in shading of paperclip nav button);

13.   'Move verse to top on Click' scrolls bookmarked verse to top of window
when verse number is clicked;

14.   'Store v1 on Next Chapter Click' automatically updates current
bookmark to next chapter/book when Next button is clicked;

15.   Current bookmark is displayed;

16.   Previous / Next are chapters in reading plan (not that 'Next' shows
Matthew 1 after Mark 16 based on Daniel Wallace's reading plan;

17.   Cookies are for debugging purposes;

18.   Text is currently just a cleaned up version of the BibleHub
Interlinear page;

The BibleHub page content is the main problem that I'd like to change next
and, as such, is the main reason for all of this communication.  I'd like to
replace it with licensed content that is easier to control and display.

I hope that explains things better.

Jeff

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