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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Tobias (et al),<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I’ve downloaded the Win32 code and had a successful compile. As I tried to implement the dll in a Web application I found that I also had to compile the c++ code (libsword) in order to use the c# dll. Not a problem but as I was setting up my new computer with the rather cumbersome c++ environment it occurred to me that it might be easier to ask for help.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I’m wondering if it’s possible to get a compiled dll from another developer that will run (safely and securely) in my environment. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Since I don’t have any other reasons to develop in c++ at this time I might be able to avoid the gyrations of getting everything downloaded and configured. It seems that there might be others who would also be interested in c# development who would also be benefitted from it. With that I’m also wondering if the appropriate dlls (from c++ source code) might be included in a later version of the Win32 code on Github.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I’m just getting familiar with the code so I don’t know how much I’m really asking. Is it a simple matter to get a copy of the dlls from someone else or do I have to compile myself in my own environment?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> sword-devel [mailto:sword-devel-bounces@crosswire.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeff Becker<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 24, 2021 4:28 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Tobias,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thank you for the feedback. I agree that the parabible is as similar to what I’m trying to accomplish as anything I’ve found so far. I will definitely contact the author.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Regarding the DLLs, since Win32 is reaching the end of its support I’d like to update to 64-bit technology including later versions of .Net framework. Doing so may provide significant improvements in ease of programming and performance. If it’s all right with you I’ll try to start with the Win32 code that you have on GitHub and work from there. I’d appreciate hearing your thoughts and goals for that code when it was created so I can keep with that as much as is practical. However, I would like to keep an open mind. Sometimes it might be more advantageous to start fresh in order to take full advantage of changing technologies.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I would also appreciate any guidance in keeping with SWORD protocols and practices so that any work that is done can be readily used by others.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I think I have what I need to get started. After I’m familiar with the available code I’ll come back with any design / redesign questions for discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks again to all for the help,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Jeff<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> sword-devel [mailto:sword-devel-bounces@crosswire.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tobias Klein<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 23, 2021 4:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> sword-devel@crosswire.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>Hi Jeff,<o:p></o:p></p><p>I have recently discovered this:<o:p></o:p></p><p><a href="https://github.com/parabible/parabible-client">https://github.com/parabible/parabible-client</a><o:p></o:p></p><p><a href="https://parabible.com/">https://parabible.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p><p>Maybe you should contact the author ... seems similar to what you have been describing and showing ... also webserver / webclient based architecture.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Regarding a functioning SWORD build for Windows (DLLs built with latest MSVS compilers ...) - have a look here:<o:p></o:p></p><p><a href="https://github.com/ezra-bible-app/sword-build-win32">https://github.com/ezra-bible-app/sword-build-win32</a><o:p></o:p></p><p>A general thought regarding web-based frontends ...<br>There are now web components since a few years - a standard that enables easier re-use of web-based components across applications.<br>Have a look here:<o:p></o:p></p><p><a href="https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Web_Components">https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Web_Components</a><o:p></o:p></p><p>I have been starting to use web components in Ezra Bible App ... and if you also work on certain frontend components maybe there is a possibility for sharing things!<o:p></o:p></p><p>Best regards,<br>Tobias<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 5/23/21 3:19 AM, Jeff Becker wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thank you for the feedback (not included here). </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I think I’ve figured out what I’d like to do:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Stay with Web delivery of this content</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="http://bible.fiveviews.net/Images/ScreenShots/Screenshot_2021-05-15-20-33-04.png">Screenshot_1</a> <a href="http://bible.fiveviews.net/Images/ScreenShots/Screenshot_2021-05-15-20-18-43.png">Screenshot_2</a> <a href="http://bible.fiveviews.net/Images/ScreenShots/Screenshot_2021-05-15-20-30-14.png">Screenshot 3</a> <a href="http://bible.fiveviews.net/Images/ScreenShots/Screenshot_2021-05-15-20-53-40.png">Screenshot 4</a> (see details below)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Implement the Crosswire / SWORD Project content (adhering to all applicable licensing)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Including multilingual content and flexibility (English only seems short-sighted)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Continue developing in ASP.Net / IIS / Visual Studio / CLR</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Even after considering all of the suggestions and reviewing available applications (partly because it’s my wheelhouse)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Develop reusable code for the MS platform and make it available for download </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>I’d like to see a wrapper that parallels the existing Crosswire / SWORD Project code base so that developers can easily implement it in VS20xx </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Possibly a dll that runs under MS Common Language Runtime (CLR) so that it’s readily available for C#, VB, C++, etc. developers (I’m not sure if just making source code available is enough)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Find or develop a database of English (or any available language) words derived from Biblical Greek words</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Does anyone know anything about ‘English derivatives from the Greek New Testament’ by Charles Van der Pool?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>So, if that’s acceptable, I could use some help getting started:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>6.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Advice from others who have developed in Visual Studio (the latest code that I was able to find was for VS 2013)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>7.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>A document or Wiki that would get content available in Windows 10, Windows Server 2019, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>8.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>Instructions on how to make this compliant with Crosswire / SWORD Project standards including licensing of content</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks again for any help you can provide.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Jeff Becker</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> sword-devel [<a href="mailto:sword-devel-bounces@crosswire.org">mailto:sword-devel-bounces@crosswire.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeff Becker<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 15, 2021 9:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum'<br><b>Subject:</b> [sword-devel] Greek/Hebrew Reader screenshots</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Here are some screenshots of the Greek/Hebrew Reader that I’ve been describing.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Some points of interest:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>‘guid=’ in URL just indicates the user id used as a record key for preferences 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style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Font enlarge and shrink buttons (per device basis);<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>6.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Arrow buttons: up/down to top/bottom; center button scrolls to current bookmark; left goes to previous chapter/book; right to next chapter/book;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>7.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Banner at top displays relevant information and links (I’d like to make this customizable for readers of varying skill levels);<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>8.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Options panel displays when bookmark (paperclip) is clicked;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>9.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>‘Select / Go To Bookmark’ displays select of stored bookmarks (per user based on guid, see additional screenshot);<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>10.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Books are marked as ‘Done’ when on the last chapter of the book and the ‘Next Chapter/Book’ button is selected;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>11.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Reading plan is selected through select prompt;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>12.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Red text on Upload / Download buttons shows that client or server has later information (also displayed in shading of paperclip nav button);<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>13.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>‘Move verse to top on Click’ scrolls bookmarked verse to top of window when verse number is clicked;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>14.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>‘Store v1 on Next Chapter Click’ automatically updates current bookmark to next chapter/book when Next button is clicked;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>15.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Current bookmark is displayed;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>16.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Previous / Next are chapters in reading plan (not that ‘Next’ shows Matthew 1 after Mark 16 based on Daniel Wallace’s reading plan;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>17.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Cookies are for debugging purposes;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>18.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>Text is currently just a cleaned up version of the BibleHub Interlinear page;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The BibleHub page content is the main problem that I’d like to change next and, as such, is the main reason for all of this communication. I’d like to replace it with licensed content that is easier to control and display.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I hope that explains things better.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Jeff<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>sword-devel mailing list: <a href="mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org">sword-devel@crosswire.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel">http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote></div></body></html>