[sword-devel] LXX (Beta) 2.7 and Strong number.

[pierre amadio]

Hi there !

>>> - The morphology code is actually packard (the version 2.5 told it was
>>> packard, but it looked more like Robinson).
>>This is very interresting because I can read the morph on xiphos. Maybe you find why....

The Sword engine gives results for both Robinson and Packard, but I
realised several of them look wrong with Packard, whereas they were
more probably correct when using Robinson.

By example:

Gen1.1 (v1.5)
<w morph="packard:V-AAI-3S">εποιησεν</w>

https://www.verbix.com/webverbix/go.php?D1=206&T1=%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%AD%CF%89
That looks like an active aorist indicative 3p singular.

If i ask what it is with Packard, i get a pluperfect passive 3
singular (i guess that should be επεποίητο)
diatheke -b Packard -f PLAIN -k V-AAI-3S
: Part of speech: verb Tense: pluperfect Voice: passive Person: third
Number: singular

But i get the right answer with Robinson:
diatheke -b Robinson -f PLAIN -k V-AAI-3S
: * Part of Speech *: Verb
* Tense *: Aorist
* Voice *: Active
* Mood *: Indicative
* Person *: third
* Number *: Singular

With LXX v1.7, things seems more correct with packard:

<w lemma="lex:ποιεω" morph="packard:VAI+AAI3S"
xlit="betacode:E)POI/HSEN">εποιησεν</w>

diatheke -b Packard -f PLAIN -k VAI+AAI3S
: Part of speech: verb, 1st aorist active, augmented Tense: imperfect
Voice: active Mood: indicative Person: third Number: plural
(Packard)

That looks better, even if I'm not 100% sure about the "augmented
Tense: imperfect" (but it could be correct, my greek grammar is very
poor). I'm also not sure about the plural Number, but I bet the code
should have been VAI+AAI3P if it was really plural.

Still, it looks better that what Robison gives:
diatheke -b Robinson -f PLAIN -k VAI+AAI3S
: * Part of Speech *: Verb
* Tense *: no tense stated (adverbial imperative)
* Voice *: no voice stated
* Mood *: iMperative
* Person *: second
* Number *: Singular

Now, regarding Strong numbers, you said:

>> But I notice too, that in the old LXX
>> module, greek words had no strong numbers too.

That is true for some words, but not all of them.

GEN1.2
Here the strong number is missing indeed in the old version.
<w lemma="strong:GA-NSM" morph="packard:A-NSM">ακατασκευαστος</w>
<w lemma="lex:ἀκατασκεύαστος"  savlm="strong:G0 lex:ἀκατασκεύαστος"
xlit="betacode:A)KATASKEU/ASTOS">ἀκατασκεύαστος</w>

But here it is present:
<w lemma="strong:G2018" morph="packard:V-IMI-3S">επεφερετο</w>
<w lemma="lex:φέρω,ἐπι"  savlm="strong:G0,G0 lex:φέρω,ἐπι"
xlit="betacode:E)PEFE/RETO">ἐπεφέρετο</w>

GEN1.3
and here too:
<w lemma="strong:G2036" morph="packard:V-AAI-3S">ειπεν</w>
<w lemma="lex:εἶπον"  savlm="strong:G0 lex:εἶπον"
xlit="betacode:EI)=PEN">εἶπεν</w>

<w lemma="strong:G1096" morph="packard:V-APM-3S">γενηθητω</w>
<w lemma="lex:γίγνομαι"  savlm="strong:G0 lex:γίγνομαι"
xlit="betacode:GENHQH/TW">γενηθήτω</w>

<w lemma="strong:G1096" morph="packard:V-AMI-3S">εγενετο</w>
<w lemma="lex:γίγνομαι"  savlm="strong:G0 lex:γίγνομαι"
xlit="betacode:E)GE/NETO">ἐγένετο</w>

Is the actual process on how the LXX module is being built documented
somewhere ? Like, where is the source info fetched from and what
script are applied to end up with a Sword module ?

I wonder if the new version "source" text is missing strong number
info (in which case there may be a way to get back those information
from the old module, in a more or less automated way) or if the script
that generates the module is buggy.