[sword-devel] Suggestion for markup of Romans 3:26 in module KJV

Sun Apr 4 09:48:53 EDT 2021

Dear Troy,

Urgent!

Please see my separate email just sent to you with cc to DM & Dom.

Regards,

David

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On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 03:41, Troy A. Griffitts <scribe at crosswire.org> wrote:

> I've just pushed an update (2.10) of our KJV module with the only change between 2.9 and the new 2.10 being a manual check and correction of all Strong's 3688 numbers.
>
> Vladimir, thank you so much for reporting this problem. DM and David are investigating further and will make any additional corrections.
>
> DM and David, we all so appreciate the work you've done to take the KJV2003 community effort marking up the KJV text with Strong's numbers, to what our KJV module is today-- work often unnoticed which millions of people use each day. Thank you.
>
> Happy Easter! Praise the Lord for willingly offering the propitiation by His blood! In Him,
>
> Troy
>
> On 4/3/21 6:06 PM, DM Smith wrote:
>
>> The history of the module is listed in the wiki: https://wiki.crosswire.org/CrossWire_KJV#Module_Versions. That listing isn’t meant to be cryptic but rather complete. The version history in the conf is not as complete. We can make it more complete/in sync.
>>
>> The version 2.6 has the problem. In that version we added the Greek words as found in the TR, using the version by Maurice Robinson, which can now be found at https://sites.google.com/a/wmail.fi/greeknt/home/greeknt.
>>
>> I still have the TR download and the scripts from that change. So with some effort David and I can figure it out.
>>
>> DM
>>
>>> On Apr 3, 2021, at 8:31 PM, DM Smith <dmsmith at crosswire.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> David and I’ll look at this soon. We’ll try to figure out how this happened and whether the problem is bigger than this.
>>>
>>> — DM Smith
>>>
>>>> On Apr 3, 2021, at 5:40 PM, David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Troy,
>>>>
>>>> I will discuss the reported issue with DM as and when I have enough free time.
>>>>
>>>> We should definitely not revert to 2.4 as that would simply undo all the good work from 2.5 through 2.9
>>>>
>>>> If there’s a mistake, we can include the corrections in version 2.10 which is still in preparation and has been for several years.
>>>>
>>>> I didn’t respond earlier simply because I’ve had other matters to attend to today.
>>>>
>>>> Happy Easter!
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 21:42, Troy A. Griffitts <scribe at crosswire.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A bit more investigation, this seems to be introduced between versions of our KJV 2.4 and 2.5.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.4 reads correctly. 2.5 has this problem. Unfortunately we have uninformative information in our History .conf entries between these versions.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am tempted to roll back this module to 2.4.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone speak to the issue of how Strong's number values could possibly change between version 2.4 and 2.5; and when we discover how this could happen, what other problems this might have introduced in revision 2.5?
>>>>>
>>>>> Troy
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/3/21 7:58 AM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a bit disturbing I just check our lastest KJV and TR modules (which was the base for the Strong's markup in the KJV). I can confirm that Romans 3:25 has Strong's 3688 whereas the TR does not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DM and David have been the primary curators of our KJV text. Any speculation on how an error like this could have entered the text and how that might be the cause of other corruptions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Troy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On April 3, 2021 4:18:01 AM MST, vtamara [<vtamara at pasosdeJesus.org>](mailto:vtamara at pasosdeJesus.org) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, I made mistake in my previos email, Romans 3:25 would show that
>>>>>>> the word with Strong number 3688 is also τω.  But according to
>>>>>>> https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3688&t=KJV
>>>>>>> the word with strong number 3688 is ὄνος  (donkey).
>>>>>>> https://biblehub.com/greek/3688.htm
>>>>>>> also shows that the word would be
>>>>>>> ὄνος
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even KVJ module in verse John 12:15 shows that the word with Strong
>>>>>>> number G3688 is ὄνος:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <w lemma="strong:G3688 lemma.TR:ονου" morph="robinson:N-GSF" src="13">an
>>>>>>> ass’s</w>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (so as well as in Mat 21:2, Mat 21:5, Mat 21:6, Luk 13.15, Luk 14:5).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway I think in Romans 3:25 and 3:26 the word τῷ should have Strong
>>>>>>> number 3588.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I see similar problem with G3688 in the following verses of the KJV
>>>>>>> module:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Mat 26:11
>>>>>>> * Mat 26:12
>>>>>>> * Mat 26:45
>>>>>>> * Mat 26:69
>>>>>>> * Mat 27:46
>>>>>>> * Mark 1:9
>>>>>>> * Mark 5:30
>>>>>>> * Mark 13:20
>>>>>>> * Luke 2:38
>>>>>>> * Luke 8.46
>>>>>>> * Luke 14:21
>>>>>>> * Luke 16:9
>>>>>>> * II Corinthians 1:8
>>>>>>> * II Corinthians 1:9
>>>>>>> * II Corinthians 8:14
>>>>>>> * Revelation of John 11:4
>>>>>>> * Revelation of John 14:7
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Blessings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> El 2021-04-03 06:34, vtamara escribió:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good morning in the Lord
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For the module KJV the markup of Romans 3:26 is:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <w lemma="strong:G3688 strong:G2540 lemma.TR:τω lemma.TR:καιρω"
>>>>>>>> morph="robinson:T-DSM robinson:N-DSM" src="12 14">time</w>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that says that word number 12 in Greek is τω with Strong number 3688
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However Romans 3:25 shows that the word with Strong number 3688 is
>>>>>>>> αιματι:
>>>>>>>> <w lemma="strong:G3688 strong:G129 lemma.TR:τω lemma.TR:αιματι"
>>>>>>>> morph="robinson:T-DSN robinson:N-DSN" src="10 12">blood</w>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And for example at
>>>>>>>> https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3588&t=KJV
>>>>>>>> I read that the Strong number 3588 corresponds to ὁ that is
>>>>>>>> interchangeable
>>>>>>>> with τῷ.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then I think the Markup for the word number 12 of Romans 3:26 should
>>>>>>>> stay as τῷ but with Strong number 3588.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Blessings
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>>>>
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