[sword-devel] NASB Psalm titles

[David Haslam]

I think our replies crossed in the ether, Tom.

Canonical is simply not a theological matter in OSIS.

David

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On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 15:28, Tom Sullivan <info at beforgiven.info> wrote:

> Y'all:
>
> Thanks David.
>
> The Psalm titles are considered canonical because they are the Word of
> God! If Sword does not display them when the user would expect them,
> that that is monkeying with God's Word and completely unacceptable. The
> Psalm titles are theologically and exegetically significant.
>
> Switching off human editor titles should *not* switch off Psalm titles
> any more than switching off any of the verses of the Psalm would be
> acceptable.
>
> So, we have a Sword issue here in addition to a module issue.
>
> Obviously, there are questions here in terms of presentation of partial
> Psalms, and decisions must be carefully made. A request for "Ps 5"
> should always present the title because God put it there. A request for
> "Ps 5:2-4" need not. But what about "Ps 5:1"? I am OK either way, so
> long as the user can do "Ps 5.0" or Ps 5:0-1" or something to get it,
> and it is clearly documented. But probably GUI front ends should display
> title unless only "Ps 5:1" is requested and the GUI would normally
> return just that verse. If the GUI normally shows the whole Psalm
> (perhaps after scrolling up) the title should be there.
>
> In contrast to GUI front ends, with diatheke, I recognize the problem
> with versification here, and am not sure what to suggest. Should they be
> verse 0?
>
> diatheke should display them above the first verse. But perhaps either a
> command line option should switch them on or off, or maybe use verse 0?
>
> In sum here, we have a Sword issue here as well as a module issue.
>
> Hope this helps, and thanks all.
>
> Tom Sullivan
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> On 5/8/20 10:04 AM, David Haslam wrote:
>> The difference is that JSword never hides titles with canonical=“true”
>> even with Headings OFF.
>> SWORD does and always has done.
>>
>> David
>>
>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 15:00, Tom Sullivan <info at beforgiven.info
>> <mailto:info at beforgiven.info>> wrote:
>>> Karl:
>>>
>>> I cannot explain the difference between your linked picture and my
>>> results on Xiphos 4.1.0. The problem survived unchecking/rechecking and
>>> reboot.
>>>
>>> But if you look at my first email, you will note that diatheke does
>>> produce Psalm titles for ESV2011 and KJV, but after the first verse. You
>>> have to ask for verses 1 to 2 or higher. That is an issue in diatheke,
>>> but I can live with that. But I do not get them for NASB via diatheke.
>>>
>>> So this reinforces my (amateur) guess that the issue is in the module
>>> and the Psalm titles are not being recognized as canonical by front-ends.
>>>
>>> IMHO, because Psalm titles are canonical, front-ends should put a
>>> difference in display between them and human editor supplied titles.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Thanks all.
>>>
>>> Tom Sullivan
>>> info at BeForgiven.INFO
>>> FAX: 815-301-2835
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>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/8/20 9:28 AM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
>>> > On 5/8/20 8:21 AM, Tom Sullivan wrote:
>>> >> Yes, the box is checked.
>>> >
>>> > The reason I ask is that I see this just fine in Xiphos.
>>> > http://karl.kleinpaste.org/xiphos/nasb-ps-5-1.png
>>> > (pardon the colors, I do CSS things to make certain stuff really
>>> obvious.)
>>> >
>>> > diatheke doesn't produce headers, not even when asked with "-o h".
>>> >
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