[sword-devel] NASB Psalm titles

[DM Smith]

osis2mod preserves properly marked Psalm titles before verse 1 as part of that verse. Other titles (and other pre-verse content) will either be put in verse 0 or in verse 1 based on other considerations. This is documented in the wiki for osis2mod.

In Him,
	DM

> On May 8, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Tom Sullivan <info at beforgiven.info> wrote:
> 
> Y'all:
> 
> Thanks David.
> 
> The Psalm titles are considered canonical because they are the Word of God! If Sword does not display them when the user would expect them, that that is monkeying with God's Word and completely unacceptable. The Psalm titles are theologically and exegetically significant.
> 
> Switching off human editor titles should *not* switch off Psalm titles any more than switching off any of the verses of the Psalm would be acceptable.
> 
> So, we have a Sword issue here in addition to a module issue.
> 
> Obviously, there are questions here in terms of presentation of partial Psalms, and decisions must be carefully made. A request for "Ps 5" should always present the title because God put it there. A request for "Ps 5:2-4" need not. But what about "Ps 5:1"? I am OK either way, so long as the user can do "Ps 5.0" or Ps 5:0-1" or something to get it, and it is clearly documented. But probably GUI front ends should display title unless only "Ps 5:1" is requested and the GUI would normally return just that verse. If the GUI normally shows the whole Psalm (perhaps after scrolling up) the title should be there.
> 
> In contrast to GUI front ends, with diatheke, I recognize the problem with versification here, and am not sure what to suggest. Should they be verse 0?
> 
> diatheke should display them above the first verse. But perhaps either a command line option should switch them on or off, or maybe use verse 0?
> 
> In sum here, we have a Sword issue here as well as a module issue.
> 
> Hope this helps, and thanks all.
> 
> Tom Sullivan
> info at BeForgiven.INFO
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> 
> On 5/8/20 10:04 AM, David Haslam wrote:
>> The difference is that JSword never hides titles with canonical=“true” even with Headings OFF.
>> SWORD does and always has done.
>> David
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>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 15:00, Tom Sullivan <info at beforgiven.info <mailto:info at beforgiven.info>> wrote:
>>> Karl:
>>> 
>>> I cannot explain the difference between your linked picture and my
>>> results on Xiphos 4.1.0. The problem survived unchecking/rechecking and
>>> reboot.
>>> 
>>> But if you look at my first email, you will note that diatheke does
>>> produce Psalm titles for ESV2011 and KJV, but after the first verse. You
>>> have to ask for verses 1 to 2 or higher. That is an issue in diatheke,
>>> but I can live with that. But I do not get them for NASB via diatheke.
>>> 
>>> So this reinforces my (amateur) guess that the issue is in the module
>>> and the Psalm titles are not being recognized as canonical by front-ends.
>>> 
>>> IMHO, because Psalm titles are canonical, front-ends should put a
>>> difference in display between them and human editor supplied titles.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> Thanks all.
>>> 
>>> Tom Sullivan
>>> info at BeForgiven.INFO
>>> FAX: 815-301-2835
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 5/8/20 9:28 AM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
>>> > On 5/8/20 8:21 AM, Tom Sullivan wrote:
>>> >> Yes, the box is checked.
>>> >
>>> > The reason I ask is that I see this just fine in Xiphos.
>>> > http://karl.kleinpaste.org/xiphos/nasb-ps-5-1.png
>>> > (pardon the colors, I do CSS things to make certain stuff really obvious.)
>>> >
>>> > diatheke doesn't produce headers, not even when asked with "-o h".
>>> >
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