[sword-devel] Versification Mapping

Wed May 6 11:44:54 MST 2020

Ok, thanks.

I think before other options I'll look into the built-in SWORD 
versification functions. But anyway, thanks for sharing this resource!

Tobias

On 5/6/20 6:40 PM, Jamie wrote:
>
> Not really, I’m afraid – I have written code myself to handle it, but 
> it’s very tightly bound into the STEP system, and it’s not really in a 
> form where it would be easy to use it for other purposes.  I agree 
> that the data looks very complicated at first sight, but it may not be 
> quite as bad as you think: the file actually contains the same data 
> twice, once in a compact form and once in a less compact form.  I 
> struggled with it when I first used it, but the less compact form 
> isn’t too bad once you get used to it.
>
> If there is any possibility that the data might be useful to you, I’d 
> be happy to try to explain it – let me know.
>
> Jamie
>
> *From:*Tobias Klein [mailto:contact at tklein.info]
> *Sent:* 06 May 2020 17:05
> *To:* SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum <sword-devel at crosswire.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [sword-devel] Versification Mapping
>
> Hi Jamie,
>
> Thanks. I had a look at the data, that’s quite complex! Even a bit 
> intimidating ...
>
> I suppose STEPBible has some library functions that parse this data?
>
> Can you point me to any APIs?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Tobias
>
>
>
>     Am 06.05.2020 um 15:04 schrieb Jamie <araj at critos.co.uk
>     <mailto:araj at critos.co.uk>>:
>
>     Hi Tobias,
>
>     Not sure that this exactly answers your question, but just in case
>     it’s relevant, Tyndale House have various public domain
>     information available, including material on alternative
>     versification schemes.  The reversification material gives details
>     of how to map LXX, MT and Vulgate schemes on to NRSVA (and also
>     addresses some other schemes which are perhaps less frequently
>     encountered). It also caters for common variants which basically
>     follow one of these schemes, but which have certain verses split
>     up into subverses.  You can find the data at :-
>
>     https://github.com/tyndale/STEPBible-Data/blob/master/TVTMS%20-%20Tyndale%20Versification%20Traditions%20with%20Methodology%20for%20Standardisation%20for%20Eng%2BHeb%2BLat%2BGrk%2BOthers%20-%20TyndaleHouse.com%20STEPBible.org%20CC%20BY-NC.txt
>
>     If you do want to make use of it, I’d be very happy to try to
>     answer any questions.
>
>     Regards,
>
>     ARA “Jamie” Jamieson
>
>     *From:*Tobias Klein [mailto:contact at tklein.info]
>     *Sent:*05 May 2020 21:19
>     *To:*SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum
>     <sword-devel at crosswire.org <mailto:sword-devel at crosswire.org>>
>     *Subject:*[sword-devel] Versification Mapping
>
>     Hi,
>
>     I would like to ask a question that I was planning to ask for a
>     while already ...
>     What's the recommended solution of mapping different versification
>     systems?
>
>     And what working implementations for this are already out there?
>
>     I realize that my understanding of versifications has been a bit
>     limited and that's visible in Ezra Project's implementation of the
>     mapping. I am currently only differentiating between two
>     versification systems, namely the English versification (used in
>     most/all (?) English translations) and the Hebrew versification
>     (used in most modern German translations).
>
>     It's been a few years since I looked into this and I think this
>     has been my source (SBL Handbook of Style)
>     https://books.google.de/books?id=M_upBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA265&lpg=PA265&dq=appendix+english/hebrew/greek+versification&source=bl&ots=CXVR0J6YrI&sig=ACfU3U3hEIPgNxmmUQW1kZJaRAtHl78L-g&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwilyoPUwp3pAhUrzqYKHVk4BtIQ6AEwAXoECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=appendix%20english%2Fhebrew%2Fgreek%20versification&f=false
>
>     My current approach in Ezra Project to map between English and
>     Hebrew versification is the following:
>
>       * I use "absolute verse numbers" in each book.
>       * I have mapping tables that basically define offsets for the
>         "absolute verse numbers" (see implementationhere
>         <https://github.com/tobias-klein/ezra-project/blob/master/models/versereference.js#L177>).
>       * The versification (currently only English or Hebrew) of the
>         respective translation is detected based on some simple
>         dynamic tests when opening it.
>       * I have functions to convert between one and the other
>         "absolute verse numbers" based on the mapping.
>       * Verse Reference objects are stored both with the English and
>         Hebrew absolute verse numbers and these objects are used for
>         assigning tags, notes, etc.
>
>     This works fairly well when using English translations and German
>     translations. The result is for example that tags that were
>     assigned to verses of an English translation still show up
>     correctly for the verses in a German translation. This is
>     particularly visible in Psalms.
>
>     How flawed is my current approach described above?
>     How do other frontends do it?
>     Have there been plans to somehow integrate some sort of mapping
>     functionality into the SWORD engine?
>
>     Best regards,
>     Tobias
>
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