[sword-devel] KJV with strong numbers

Fri Nov 15 11:56:26 EST 2019

Yes, the modules are all updated.  Bibletime is up to date, but that means
the last version provided by 18.04LTS upstream, and is not current to the
development stream.

I mentioned the KJVA module to Cyrille to point out that there is a
crosswire module which contains all of the apocryphal books, which is an
important consideration for him.

I maintain that the presence of the "OSISqToTick=false" line item in the
KJVA module, but not the KJV nor engKJV1769eb modules are the reason for
the quotes appearing in some but not all modules. However, I'm out of my
depth here, because this gets into what does each front end do with the
conf file.

However, It's my best interpretation of the sword spec and communication on
this subject that all KJV modules which contain red letter encoding would
best be represented with the configuration OSISqToTick=false in their
respective conf files.

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 10:35 AM David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:

> Michael,
>
> KJV version 2.9 and KJVA version 3.0.1 should behave the same.
>
> KJVA is now made using the osis2mod augment switch -a to add the DC books
> to the module first made from the KJV source XML file.
>
> Are you viewing these latest module releases?
>
> David
>
> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 16:17, Michael H <cmahte at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I see them in bibletime 2.11.3 for Linux (Ubuntu 18.04LTS) built on Sword
> 1.7.3. This is the default edition that comes in the apps provided by the
> current stable Ubuntu edition.
>
> In a 3 column view with the modules listed, engKJV1769eb, KJV, and KJVA;
> only the KJVA displays  silent transitions.
>
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 10:01 AM David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Michael,
>>
>> The CrossWire KJV module should not and does not display quotation marks
>> in either Xiphos or PocketSword & probably all SWORD based front-end apps.
>>
>> If you see quotation marks at Words of Jesus transitions, might this be a
>> failure of some apps not correctly implementing the attribute marker=“” in
>> rendering the OSIS q element?
>>
>> Which apps have such an issue?
>>
>> David
>>
>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 15:49, Michael H <cmahte at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I suspect starting from the KJVA module is the correct approach for you
>> Cyrille. The engKJV1769eb module is present to make the text available in
>> the other formats (web browser, epub, kindle formats.) It is not intended
>> to be a source text. However, the conversion to all these formats
>> reprocesses the text and introduces some quirks.
>>
>> The Crosswire KJV module is not identical to the engKJV1769eb module.
>>
>> 1. The ebible module does not contain Chapter titles, while the KJV and
>> KJVA modules do.
>> 2. The ebible module has more white space between features (pilcrows
>> have trailing spaces, Words of Jesus transitions introduce an extra space,
>> etc.) These are not present in the KJV and KJVA modules.
>> 3. Both the ebible and KJV module display quotation marks where the Words
>> of Jesus transitions occur.  This is not present in the source text, but is
>> apparently a quirk of OSIS (not sure if it's in the OSIS, or the conf
>> file.) However, the KJVA module does NOT contain these quotations which is
>> more appropriate. Yet it lists the same source as the KJV module.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 8:19 AM Cyrille <lafricain79 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 15/11/2019 à 09:08, David Haslam a écrit :
>>>
>>> AFAIK, The OSIS XML files that eBible.org uses for the engKJV1769eb
>>> module are not those that either I or DM used for the CrossWire KJV & KJVA
>>> modules.
>>>
>>> I have the feeling again that we are wasting a mad energy by the
>>> dispersion of sources and parallel works. Two "identical" modules
>>> developed from two sources...
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ve really not looked in detail at how Michael Johnson maintains his
>>> modules with Haiola.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 13:57, Cyrille <lafricain79 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Peter,
>>> I look in the conf file:
>>> TextSource=bf.org, eBible.org...
>>> eBible.org is ok
>>> And eBible.org is working, but how to do if we want to work on it? At
>>> the same time I discover that ebible is an excellent resource that stores
>>> bibles in usfm and osis formats.
>>> David, is your file different from ebible?
>>> Maybe a link to the ebible.org (I could only download the usfm file) on
>>> wiki would be useful.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 15/11/2019 à 05:27, David Haslam a écrit :
>>>
>>> Strictly speaking, it’s maintained by DM Smith - though I did some
>>> significant work on the source text in 2016 in collaboration with DM.
>>>
>>> I still keep such KJV files on my PC too.
>>>
>>> The wiki includes a roadmap for further potential enhancements.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 10:17, Peter Von Kaehne <refdoc at gmx.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Cyrille,
>>>
>>> I am not on my computer, but I think the link to the source text is both
>>> in the conf file and accessible via the WIki.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 15. November 2019 um 03:26 Uhr
>>> *Von:* "Cyrille" <lafricain79 at gmail.com> <lafricain79 at gmail.com>
>>> *An:* "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum"
>>> <sword-devel at crosswire.org> <sword-devel at crosswire.org>
>>> *Betreff:* [sword-devel] KJV with strong numbers
>>> Hello,
>>> I red that the KJV with strong's numbers is a crosswire project
>>> <http://www.crosswire.org/sword/kjv2003/>, I'm just looking for where
>>> can I found the osis source text of this module?
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