[sword-devel] Sword front-ends, the clipboard and social media

Sun May 5 17:25:45 MST 2019

I'm pretty sure that verse numbers are exclusively the purview of front
ends and aren't part of the engine markup.

--Greg

On Sun, May 5, 2019, 15:29 David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com> wrote:

> No - although a front-end would include the UI option to “Copy Special”,
> IMHO, the right place for the special filter would be the back-end engine.
>
> It’s the back-end that “knows” which object is a verse tag,
> as opposed to verse text that just happens to contain some digits.
> Eg. The integer 144,000 in Revelation 7:4 for some translations.
>
> No front-end developer is obliged to make use of the suggested filter.
> But it gives them a design choice that can be exploited to advantage in
> the described usage case.
>
> In Xiphos, for example, the dialogue would simply require an extra tick
> box with (say) a mouseover tooltip.
>
>  Best regards,
>
> David
>
> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>
>
> On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 21:08, refdoc at gmx.net <refdoc at gmx.net> wrote:
>
> I think the main problem is that there is a whole huge worlds out there of
> weird and wonderful restrictions. Some blogging platforms accept wiki mark
> up, others markdown yet others restricted html, etc.
>
> I do not think the engine is the place other than for well defined
> standardised output formats, as much of the rest ephemeral. But front-ends
> maybe can do more?
>
> Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird
> autocorrects.
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Sword front-ends, the clipboard and social media
> From: David Haslam
> To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum
> CC:
>
>
> Jack,
>
> I think you’ve missed the main point too.
>
> Facebook edit boxes for posts, comments and replies sees everything pasted
> as plain vanilla text.
> Text styles are simply squished.
>
> However, being a global platform, it supports the whole Unicode character
> set.
>
> David
>
> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>
>
> On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 20:14, Jaak Ristioja <jaak at ristioja.ee> wrote:
>
> I'd suggest using CSS with custom element attributes instead, for example:
>
> <html><head>
> <title>Hallelujah! :)</title>
> <style>
> span::before {
> content: attr(verse-id);
> vertical-align: super;
> font-size: 50%;
> margin: 0 0.4em 0 0;
> }
> </style>
> </head>
> <body>
> <span verse-id='12'>Christ</span>
> <span verse-id='13'>is</span>
> <span verse-id='14'>risen!</span>
> </body>
> </html>
>
> Online example: https://jsfiddle.net/23z5n9dc/
>
>
> Best regards,
> J
>
>
> On 05.05.19 18:58, David Haslam wrote:
> > When pasting a Bible passage from the clipboard to Social media, text
> styles are usually squished.
> >
> > This often means that superscripted verse tags just become ordinary
> numbers.
> > Some front-ends even leave no space between the verse tag and the start
> of verse text.
> > The result in social media is a tad ugly.
> >
> > Surely we could do better?
> >
> > One bright idea implemented externally by one of our members is simple
> enough for us to consider adding as a new filter in the SWORD API.
> >
> > Convert verse number digits to Unicode superscript digits, ⁰¹²³⁴⁵⁶⁷⁸⁹
> >
> > NB. These special 10 characters are not in a continuous block.
> >
> > How front-ends might include the filter such that copying a passage to
> the clipboard would automatically make use of these special characters is
> yet to be determined, but if the idea is not yet discussed, we’ll not make
> any progress.
> >
> > Aside: I made my own TextPipe filter to convert digits to these special
> characters.
> > I included a restriction to avoid converting chapter numbers.
> > I did not yet consider what to do about digits that are part of verse
> text (such as 144,000).
> >
> > Even so, how do software developers feel about the concept ?
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > David
> >
> > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
> >
> >
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