[sword-devel] Second versions, Scottish Metric Psalter
Troy A. Griffitts
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Sun Jan 13 12:51:28 MST 2019
A few thoughts...
How do we envisage a frontend displaying this text? Do we expect each
frontend to have special logic for displaying if there is a variation of
the chapter? Consider all the various display cases: single Bible view,
parallel Bible view, search results, etc... For example, if this module
is included in a parallel display with a second module (say, Hebrew),
what do we expect to happen if a chapter is displayed which includes an
alternative chapter?
I don't have any good ideas which avoid frontends including special
logic for something like this, which isn't reasonable. We do have at
least one other scenario which is similar: Rahlfs' LXX, which includes
alternate traditions for books. We also struggled with the best way to
capture and display this. More difficult, Ralhfs uses a differing
versification for alternate book traditions. We did proof of concepts
with adding Alt books to an LXX versification, allowing LXX Book
versifications to have enough chapter, book max to cover either
tradition, creating a single module, having 2 modules-- the second
having only the alternate traditions. I don't recall where we left off
on that or what strategy our current Rahlfs Bible uses. Our CATSS LXX
GenBook includes book traditions as 'A' and 'B',
http://crosswire.org/study/bookdisplay.jsp?mod=LXXM
But that just punts on the problem and uses GenBook because doesn't need
to solve the problem of relating 'A' and 'B' together somehow.
Just some thoughts,
Troy
On 1/13/19 8:22 AM, David Haslam wrote:
> The best solution may be to have two SMP modules each with 150 Psalms;
> one to have the V1s and the other to have the V2s for the Psalms with
> 2 versions.
>
> NB. The canonical title should also be supplied for the Version 2.
>
> These Psalms could be given an extra technical note to explain further.
>
> 138 Psalms would appear exactly the same in both modules, but the
> convenience more than compensates for the duplications.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> David
>
> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 14:17, David Haslam <dfhdfh at protonmail.com
> <mailto:dfhdfh at protonmail.com>> wrote:
>> In response to DM, I think that's the wrong approach, as it would be
>> confusing to mix two different metres for how the same Psalm was
>> metrified in English.
>> What's required is *whole chapters* as 2 different variants.
>>
>> There are 25 lines containing the word '*version*':
>> s2 First Version
>> s2 Second Version
>> s2 First Version (S.M.)
>> s2 Second Version
>> s2 First Version
>> s2 Second Version
>> s2 First Version
>> s2 Second Version
>> s2 First Version
>> s2 Second Version
>> s2 First Version
>> s2 Second Version
>> s2 First Version - this version was retained from the 1562 English
>> and 1564 Scottish Psalters. It is by William Kethe.
>> s2 Second Version
>> cl Psalm 102 There is also a Long Metre version below *
>> s2 First Version
>> s2 Second Version
>> s2 First Version (8.7.8.7. Iambic)
>> s2 Second Version (6.6.6.6.8.8.) This is a slightly modified version
>> of the Psalm as it first appeared in the Scottish Psalter of 1564 *
>> s2 First Version (C.M.)
>> s2 Second Version (6.6.6.6.D.)
>> s2 First Version
>> s2 Second Version
>> s2 First version
>> s2 Second Version (6.6.6.6.8.8.)
>>
>> As you can see, one of these instances is simply within a note.
>> So there are in fact 12 Psalms that have a second metrical version.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> David
>>
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>>
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> On Saturday, 12 January 2019 13:55, refdoc at gmx.net <refdoc at gmx.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, yes, sorry
>>>
>>> Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird
>>> autocorrects.
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Second versions, Scottish Metric Psalter
>>> From: David Haslam
>>> To: DM Smith
>>> CC: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum
>>>
>>>
>>> NB. Peter's initial message contained a *broken* link to
>>> https://github.com/refdoc/The-Scottish-Metric-Psalter-1650
>>>
>>> The repo is now at
>>> https://gitlab.com/crosswire-bible-society/scottish-psalter-1650
>>>
>>> i.e. In our public facing location for PD text development.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com> Secure Email.
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>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>> On Saturday, 12 January 2019 13:25, DM Smith
>>> <dmsmith at crosswire.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you make one module do it as variations verse by verse.
>>>> JSword works on this basis. Each needs to be well-formed XML.
>>>> Otherwise it will toss the markup.
>>>>
>>>> Do the canonical headings vary too? That might pose a single
>>>> module problem.
>>>>
>>>> David and I have discussed supporting multiple KJV modules from
>>>> a single xml doc using a filter (e.g. XSLT) to produce subsets.
>>>> Examples, with Apocrypha, without such, long s variant, .....
>>>>
>>>> I already have a couple of XSLT filters that others requested:
>>>> no notes or Strong’s numbers; Plaintext.
>>>>
>>>> In Him,
>>>> DM Smith
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 12, 2019, at 7:38 AM, David Haslam
>>>> <dfhdfh at protonmail.com <mailto:dfhdfh at protonmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> Sparsely populated....
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 12:37, refdoc at gmx.net
>>>>> <mailto:refdoc at gmx.net> <refdoc at gmx.net
>>>>> <mailto:refdoc at gmx.net>> wrote:
>>>>>> Never looked at it. Why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and
>>>>>> weird autocorrects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Second versions, Scottish Metric
>>>>>> Psalter
>>>>>> From: David Haslam
>>>>>> To: sword-devel at crosswire.org <mailto:sword-devel at crosswire.org>
>>>>>> CC:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean the Samaritan Pentateuch Dead Sea Scrolls
>>>>>> variant module SPDSS isn't rather more of an overkill ?
>>>>>> Have you ever looked at the contents?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was about to suggest the same as Tom Sullivan did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A second module with just the alternative versions of
>>>>>> these 11 or 12 Psalms,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But is there a third metrical version of any Psalm?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 10:30, Peter von Kaehne
>>>>>> <refdoc at gmx.net <mailto:refdoc at gmx.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 2019-01-12 at 05:15 -0500, Tom Sullivan wrote:
>>>>>>> > Peter:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Suggestion: Make 2 modules, one for each translation.
>>>>>>> Most front
>>>>>>> > ends
>>>>>>> > will do parallel display.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For 11 or 12 (I need to count them) psalms that seems
>>>>>>> overkill.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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