[sword-devel] More French questions

[David Haslam]

Versifications are merely that. They do not encompass mappings of one v11n to another.

Before SWORD began to support av11n, several Bible modules were squeezed into the KJV v11n.
Only a few of these have the original references parenthesised at the start of verse text.

Best regards,

David

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On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 02:07, John Dudeck <john.dudeck at sim.org> wrote:

> Dominique and all,
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> I need to understand better what the v11n functionality actually does in Sword.
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> A good example is the Plague of Frogs in Exodus. In all my English bibles, as well as French Darby, it starts on Ex 8:1. However in all my other French bibles it starts on Ex 7:26-29, and Ex chapter 8 is offset by 4 verses.
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> I notice that the French Bibles downloadable in AndBible (I looked at FreSegond and F10), follow the KJV versification, rather than the official French versification. In other words, they have been modified and do not follow their canonical form.
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> So I am frustrated trying to figure out how Sword (and AndBible) handle v11n. I have read the Wiki several times over. It is so sketchy that it's not much help.
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> I realize that things are in flux in this area. Reportedly AndBible is supposed to already have the French v11n, but the French Bibles that are in the repository follow the KJV, so there is no way to demonstrate what it is doing.
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> So my question is: How is v11n _supposed_ to work? Does it effectively map every verse between versions having different v11n?
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> The .h file appears to only list the book order and the number of verses in each chapter. I don't see how this maps verse to verse. It can't possibly just assume that from chapter 1 verse 1 to the end of the book all the verses are contiguous and can be matched 1-to-1 with a different bible, because not all bibles have the same number of verses. In some places, two verse are merged into one, other places one verse is split into two, in Psalms the headers are counted as verse 1 in French but not in English, some Bibles have dropped out certain verses and left gaps in the verse numbering, etc, etc.
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>> > But the Colombe is different in the book of Joel... it follows the BHS and has 4 chapters.
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>> In fact, after a closer look, I discovered 56 differences in OT and 2 in NT between the Segond 1910 and a revised 1978 I own.
>> This are not only differences in the number of maximum verses per chapter, but also in the number of chapter for 2 books, Joel and Malachi.
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> Right. I only mentioned just the one example, that was causing osis2mod to hang...it never got as far as Malachi, etc.
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>> I guess you have two options, either you renumber the verses of the commentary to match an existing v11n, or you write a new verse map for the 'Colombe'.
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> I would be happy to do a verse map, but I am not clear on how the mapping is done.
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> My current work-around is going to be (as you suggest) to adjust all of the French references in the commentaries to their KJV equivalents. This will not be seen by the user, as it will be done in the <div annotateRef=...> and <reference osisRef=...> tags. I already have code that does this in my conversion scripts. But I am hoping that the forthcoming v11n will allow me to work with the natural v11n of each commentary, and let Sword handle the mapping.
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> BTW We will be putting three new French bibles into Sword: Parole de Vie, S21, and Nouvelle Edition de Genève (NEG). These are not public domain, and will only be distributed in the scope of our project. I will have to see whether there will be v11n issues with any of these. MacArthur's commentaries use NEG. The Africa Bible Commentary uses Colombe. But we are not likely to put the Colombe Bible into the project, nor NBS nor Semeur, because of cost.
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>> As a starting point, please find attached a skeleton for a new v11n, it is based on my own Bible 'Colombe'.
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>> Best regards,
>> --
>> domcox <dominique at corbex.org>
>
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