[sword-devel] Strong's Numbers Standards

[DM Smith]

I’m curious whether your question is as a module creator or otherwise. Are you creating a Strong’s module or a module having Strong’s numbers? 

The KJV module uses Strong’s numbers of the form G975, that is, a G or H followed by an unpadded number. That’s the current standard.

There’s a new setting for dictionary modules having keys that beginning with numbers: StrongsPadding=true|false
When it is true, it will pad a key beginning with numbers with the assumption that it follows the old logic of padded numbers.

The reason for padded numbers is that keys are sorted by a strict ascii text collation and the desire is for keys to be in numerical order.

You can use ld2imp to dump a dictionary and examine its keys.

A front end needs to normalize a search request the same as the module it is searching against.

I don’t know how SWORD does it but JSword examines an arbitrary key from the Strong’s module and establishes a pattern based upon that. It allows for keys to start with a G or H and be 0 padded or not. Then it normalizes the search request according to that pattern.

Hope this helps a bit,
DM Smith

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Gary Holmlund <gary.holmlund at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't see anywhere the document suggest not having the zeros. I do see several examples with zeros between the letter and the digits.
> 
> H0776
> H01961
> H08414
> H0922
> 
> Even if the document had suggested no zeros, we have documents (MLStrong, Dodson) that do have these zeros. If I have "G32" how do I know to change it to "G0032" to lookup in these documents?
> Gary
> 
> On 09/27/2017 12:12 AM, Michael H wrote:
>> STEP suggests that leading zeros do not belong in between the letter and the digits. 
>> 
>> https://stepweb.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/TYNSTEP/pages/36569098/OSIS+samples#OSISsamples-OSISofaBiblewithstrongnumbers(ESV) <https://stepweb.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/TYNSTEP/pages/36569098/OSIS+samples#OSISsamples-OSISofaBiblewithstrongnumbers%28ESV%29>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Gary Holmlund <gary at holmlund.org <mailto:gary at holmlund.org>> wrote:
>> I am trying to understand the various forms that Strong's references can have. Let me explain with an example from BibleTime when we hover over a word and automatically display the Strong's reference text.
>> 
>> In the new testament (KJV and ESV2011) the Strong's reference for "angel" is  "G32". In BibleTime the "G" is removed leaving "32" as the reference to lookup. This works for StrongsGreek, StringsRealGreek, and AbbottSmithStrongs. It does not work for MLStrong and Dodson.
>> 
>> In the books StrongsGreek, StringsRealGreek, and AbbottSmithStrongs the reference is "00032". In MLStrong and Dodson the reference is "G0032". So, I find that "32" will work as a key when the book reference is "00032",  but "32" or "G32" won't work if the book reference is "G0032"
>> 
>> If I knew that Strong's references were either "Gnnnn" or "nnnnn" I could pad zeros in the right place when a shorter Strong's reference needs to be looked up. Or is there some other method we can use?
>> 
>> PS. I am told that Xiphos has the same problem.
>> 
>> Gary Holmlund
>> 
>> 
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