[sword-devel] Japanese Bibles in Beta and some other stuff

[DM Smith]

The markup is using OSIS in a standard way.
Here is Matt 1:1 in JapBungo (Indented for ease of reading):
	<verse osisID='Matt.1.1'>
		アブラハムの
		<w gloss='こ'>
			子
		</w>
		、ダビデの
		<w gloss='こ'>
			子
		</w>
		、イエス・キリストの
		<w gloss='けいづ'>
			系圖
		</w>
		。
	</verse>

By default JSword shows just the base text and not the gloss. アブラハムの子、ダビデの子、イエス・キリストの系圖。
There is no way to show the gloss. So, the release of the module won’t result in a bad user experience, just an incomplete one.

Not sure what the best way to present this in HTML, but perhaps using HTML5 ruby markup, which will be ignored by Bible Desktop, just showing it in a linear fashion:

アブラハムの<ruby><rb>子</rb><rt>こ</rt></ruby>、ダビデの<ruby><rb>子</rb><rt>こ</rt></ruby>、イエス・キリストの<ruby><rb>系圖</rb><rt>けいづ</rt></ruby>。

The above is fine if the browser can show it as interlinear, but is not appropriate for older browsers that cannot. The ruby fall back mechanism <rp> needs to be employed.

アブラハムの<ruby><rb>子</rb><rt><rp>(</rp>こ<rp>)</rp></rt></ruby>、ダビデの<ruby><rb>子</rb><rt><rp>(</rp>こ<rp>)</rp></rt></ruby>、イエス・キリストの<ruby><rb>系圖</rb><rt><rp>(</rp>けいづ<rp>)</rp></rt></ruby>。

Should this be a toggle?

DM


> On Aug 20, 2017, at 1:01 PM, DM Smith <dmsmith at crosswire.org> wrote:
> 
> My response on JSword-devel mailing list:
> JSword has no support for ruby markup. I haven’t looked at it for years, but from what I remember, it was experimental, using OSIS in a non-standard way. Chris added support for it in the engine as he did for other things that are still not considered as worthy of use. Such as support for additional compression schemes, i.e. bz2 and xz. (I did add support for those and Chris and I tested them.) So, to add ruby, I’ll need to have a clear understanding of the markup, how it is beneficial to an end user and how that abstract usage is appropriate for a Japanese text and reader.
> 
> The OSIS Bible markup page in our wiki, https://crosswire.org/wiki/OSIS_Bibles <https://crosswire.org/wiki/OSIS_Bibles>, should be updated if we are going to move it from experimental to supported.
> 
> BTW, I fully understand the value in moving 5 Japanese texts from beta to main. I’m not adverse to that forcing the issue.
> 
> DM
> 
>> On Aug 17, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Peter von Kaehne <refdoc at crosswire.org <mailto:refdoc at crosswire.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> For years, decades probably, we have 5 Japanese Bibles in Beta. The
>> reason they did not move on was supposed lack of support for Ruby mark
>> up. At least in libsword dependent frontends this is now there (and
>> probably was for a long time already) - if you want to test it tick the
>> glosses module option. 
>> 
>> Is jsword there too? 
>> 
>> I will move them out later today into main. It is one embarrassment too
>> many....
>> 
>> Also, as you will have seen, I have now a fairly well and fast working
>> setup for module making - at least as far as USFM, OSIS, TEI and IMP is
>> concerned. Handcrafted texts still take as long as ever. I think I have
>> dealt with any backlog. . I will in the next days and weeks work
>> through my stock of long ago submitted stuff, put them into my
>> framework and rerun the module import in order to ensure the maximum
>> amount of modules has the benefit of the newest toolkits and to ensure
>> that all I have ever done for CrossWire is actually somewhere
>> semipublic accessible and reproducible. So, if you see some major
>> uploads happening, it is probably not worth updating all and everything
>> in your own files. 
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
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