[sword-devel] ISV status?

Greg Hellings greg.hellings at gmail.com
Thu Jan 3 13:53:54 MST 2013 

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Andrew Thule <thulester at gmail.com> wrote:
> I just thought about this a bit more .. I suppose that's what "Version=1.5"
> is for ...

No, the Copyright limitation applies to the source material. It's very
possible that multiple versions of the module could be made from the
same initial source copy as bugs are uncovered in the encoding, in the
transformation process, in the conf file, etc. So the Copyright
permission is not given for Version 1.5 of the module but for a
particular copy of the original material received from the Copyright
holder.

There is no way to know from most conf files if there has been only
one or possibly dozens of versions of the source material iterated
through. In this case it is likely that there are no more than 5
copies of the source text but more likely there was only 1 or 2
versions received from upstream and the other revisions represent bug
fixes in the importation or distribution process.

--Greg

>
> Nevermind.
> ~A
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Andrew Thule <thulester at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the clarification DM.
>> Perhaps for the sake of clarity then, the .conf file's
>> "DistributionLicense=" attribute could contain the version for which
>> permission was granted (rather than appearing to be generic).
>>
>> ~A
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:35 PM, DM Smith <dmsmith at crosswire.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I can see how you might conclude that.
>>>
>>> However, when we get permission for a copyrighted work, we get permission
>>> for that copyright. If the work is updated, there is a new copyright and we
>>> have to obtain permission for that.
>>>
>>> In Him,
>>> DM
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:30 PM, Andrew Thule <thulester at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I should add that prior to doing anything I did check the isv.conf file
>>> which says this:
>>> DistributionLicense=Copyrighted; Permission to distribute granted to
>>> CrossWire
>>>
>>>
>>> From .conf file at least, any reasonable person would conclude that
>>> permission had already been obtained to distribute (and redistribute) ISV
>>> and any additional revisions.
>>>
>>> ~A
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Andrew Thule <thulester at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Come now Peter, don't be so quick to find fault.
>>>>
>>>> The Crosswire repository currently contains version 1.5 of the ISV
>>>> module.  Nic's question was asking about the inclusion of the OT in that
>>>> module.  The Crosswire site doesn't say anything about the status of this
>>>> module, and Nic's question seems to suggest he was not aware Crosswire was
>>>> prohibited from distributed a later versions of this module.  His comment
>>>> was specifically asking about the ISV with OT included suggesting this was
>>>> already  direction that was being pursued.
>>>>
>>>> I was trying to extend an offer to help (as a volunteer).  I certainly
>>>> wasn't aware that permission hadn't been obtained to distribute the ISV with
>>>> the OT, and the fact the ISV is already distributed with the NT suggests
>>>> (perhaps incorrectly) that permission has been already obtained.  Once Chris
>>>> made it known that Crosswire has no such permission to distribute newer
>>>> versions of the ISV I did exactly as Chris asked.  So what infraction have I
>>>> committed now?
>>>>
>>>> Respectfully, if every time a newcomer or volunteer's offer is met with
>>>> criticism or controversy the treatment of newcomers and volunteers in this
>>>> group is going to appear somewhat suspect and unwelcoming.  It's a very good
>>>> way to drive people away from a project.  If my lack of awareness of this
>>>> prohibition on the ISV is why you're asking me to leave - that says much
>>>> about this community.
>>>>
>>>> Now that I know Crosswire doesn't have permission to distribute versions
>>>> of the ISV other than the one currently in the repository, I'll respect
>>>> that.  If others feel as you do, that outside contributions are unwelcome
>>>> here - I will kick the sand from my sandals and leave
>>>>
>>>> ~A
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:20 PM, refdoc at gmx.net <refdoc at gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew, this is now quite enough. Please desist posting further onto
>>>>> our list. Your presence is undesired
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my HTC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Reply message -----
>>>>> From: "Andrew Thule" <thulester at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum" <sword-devel at crosswire.org>
>>>>> Subject: [sword-devel] ISV status?
>>>>> Date: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 18:53
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Done.
>>>>>
>>>>> I made it available here only in response to this request ..
>>>>>
>>>>> ~A
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Chris Little <chrislit at crosswire.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew, this document is copyrighted. We do not have permission to
>>>>>> distribute it. You certainly and absolutely do not have permission to
>>>>>> distribute it, much less to distribute it and claim that we have permission
>>>>>> to distribute it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remove it immediately.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/3/2013 9:37 AM, Andrew Thule wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe there's an OSIS file that contains both testaments ... I
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> forward it if it helps this effort.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are least two versification problems (I haven't bothered to
>>>>>>> address yet)
>>>>>>> INFO(V11N): 1Sam.11 is not in the KJV versification. Appending
>>>>>>> content
>>>>>>> to 1Sam.10.27
>>>>>>> INFO(V11N): Rev.13 is not in the KJV versification. Appending content
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> Rev.12.17
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've placed a mod based on this OSIS file in my repo if anyone
>>>>>>> interested:
>>>>>>> Repository: 1XO
>>>>>>> Host: ftp.1xo.net <http://ftp.1xo.net>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /1xo/pub/sword/betaraw
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~A
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Nic Carter <niccarter at mac.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:niccarter at mac.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Hi Team :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     I was wondering where we were at with updating the ISV to include
>>>>>>>     both the OT & NT?
>>>>>>>     There was some chatter here about a year ago about it, but it
>>>>>>>     sounded yuck, given we needed to convert the text from a Word
>>>>>>>     document...  :/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Thanks, ybic
>>>>>>>              nic...  :)
>>>>>>>
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