[sword-devel] ISV status?

Thu Jan 3 13:46:33 MST 2013

If there are prohibitions against distributions of newer revisions of the
text, this needs to be documented somewhere; for how else will volunteers
know they are restricted to working with particular versions of text?

~A

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Andrew Thule <thulester at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just thought about this a bit more .. I suppose that's what
> "Version=1.5" is for ...
>
> Nevermind.
> ~A
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Andrew Thule <thulester at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the clarification DM.
>> Perhaps for the sake of clarity then, the .conf file's
>> "DistributionLicense=" attribute could contain the version for which
>> permission was granted (rather than appearing to be generic).
>>
>> ~A
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:35 PM, DM Smith <dmsmith at crosswire.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I can see how you might conclude that.
>>>
>>> However, when we get permission for a copyrighted work, we get
>>> permission for that copyright. If the work is updated, there is a new
>>> copyright and we have to obtain permission for that.
>>>
>>> In Him,
>>> DM
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:30 PM, Andrew Thule <thulester at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I should add that prior to doing anything I did check the isv.conf file
>>> which says this:
>>> DistributionLicense=Copyrighted; Permission to distribute granted to
>>> CrossWire
>>>
>>>
>>> From .conf file at least, any reasonable person would conclude that
>>> permission had already been obtained to distribute (and redistribute) ISV
>>> and any additional revisions.
>>>
>>> ~A
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Andrew Thule <thulester at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Come now Peter, don't be so quick to find fault.
>>>>
>>>> The Crosswire repository currently contains version 1.5 of the ISV
>>>> module.  Nic's question was asking about the inclusion of the OT in that
>>>> module.  The Crosswire site doesn't say anything about the status of this
>>>> module, and Nic's question seems to suggest he was not aware Crosswire was
>>>> prohibited from distributed a later versions of this module.  His comment
>>>> was specifically asking about the ISV with OT included suggesting this was
>>>> already  direction that was being pursued.
>>>>
>>>> I was trying to extend an offer to help (as a volunteer).  I certainly
>>>> wasn't aware that permission hadn't been obtained to distribute the ISV
>>>> with the OT, and the fact the ISV is already distributed with the NT
>>>> suggests (perhaps incorrectly) that permission has been already obtained.
>>>> Once Chris made it known that Crosswire has no such permission to
>>>> distribute newer versions of the ISV I did exactly as Chris asked.  So what
>>>> infraction have I committed now?
>>>>
>>>> Respectfully, if every time a newcomer or volunteer's offer is met with
>>>> criticism or controversy the treatment of newcomers and volunteers in this
>>>> group is going to appear somewhat suspect and unwelcoming.  It's a very
>>>> good way to drive people away from a project.  If my lack of awareness of
>>>> this prohibition on the ISV is why you're asking me to leave - that says
>>>> much about this community.
>>>>
>>>> Now that I know Crosswire doesn't have permission to distribute
>>>> versions of the ISV other than the one currently in the repository, I'll
>>>> respect that.  If others feel as you do, that outside contributions are
>>>> unwelcome here - I will kick the sand from my sandals and leave
>>>>
>>>> ~A
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:20 PM, refdoc at gmx.net <refdoc at gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Andrew, this is now quite enough. Please desist posting further onto
>>>>> our list. Your presence is undesired
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my HTC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Reply message -----
>>>>> From: "Andrew Thule" <thulester at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum" <sword-devel at crosswire.org
>>>>> >
>>>>> Subject: [sword-devel] ISV status?
>>>>> Date: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 18:53
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Done.
>>>>>
>>>>> I made it available here only in response to this request ..
>>>>>
>>>>> ~A
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Chris Little <chrislit at crosswire.org>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew, this document is copyrighted. We do not have permission to
>>>>>> distribute it. You certainly and absolutely do not have permission to
>>>>>> distribute it, much less to distribute it and claim that we have permission
>>>>>> to distribute it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Remove it immediately.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/3/2013 9:37 AM, Andrew Thule wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe there's an OSIS file that contains both testaments ... I
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> forward it if it helps this effort.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are least two versification problems (I haven't bothered to
>>>>>>> address yet)
>>>>>>> INFO(V11N): 1Sam.11 is not in the KJV versification. Appending
>>>>>>> content
>>>>>>> to 1Sam.10.27
>>>>>>> INFO(V11N): Rev.13 is not in the KJV versification. Appending
>>>>>>> content to
>>>>>>> Rev.12.17
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've placed a mod based on this OSIS file in my repo if anyone
>>>>>>> interested:
>>>>>>> Repository: 1XO
>>>>>>> Host: ftp.1xo.net <http://ftp.1xo.net>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /1xo/pub/sword/betaraw
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~A
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Nic Carter <niccarter at mac.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:niccarter at mac.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Hi Team :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     I was wondering where we were at with updating the ISV to include
>>>>>>>     both the OT & NT?
>>>>>>>     There was some chatter here about a year ago about it, but it
>>>>>>>     sounded yuck, given we needed to convert the text from a Word
>>>>>>>     document...  :/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Thanks, ybic
>>>>>>>              nic...  :)
>>>>>>>
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