[sword-devel] ISV status?

Thu Jan 3 13:42:16 MST 2013

Thanks for the clarification DM.
Perhaps for the sake of clarity then, the .conf file's
"DistributionLicense=" attribute could contain the version for which
permission was granted (rather than appearing to be generic).

~A

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:35 PM, DM Smith <dmsmith at crosswire.org> wrote:

> I can see how you might conclude that.
>
> However, when we get permission for a copyrighted work, we get permission
> for that copyright. If the work is updated, there is a new copyright and we
> have to obtain permission for that.
>
> In Him,
> DM
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:30 PM, Andrew Thule <thulester at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I should add that prior to doing anything I did check the isv.conf file
> which says this:
> DistributionLicense=Copyrighted; Permission to distribute granted to
> CrossWire
>
>
> From .conf file at least, any reasonable person would conclude that
> permission had already been obtained to distribute (and redistribute) ISV
> and any additional revisions.
>
> ~A
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Andrew Thule <thulester at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Come now Peter, don't be so quick to find fault.
>>
>> The Crosswire repository currently contains version 1.5 of the ISV
>> module.  Nic's question was asking about the inclusion of the OT in that
>> module.  The Crosswire site doesn't say anything about the status of this
>> module, and Nic's question seems to suggest he was not aware Crosswire was
>> prohibited from distributed a later versions of this module.  His comment
>> was specifically asking about the ISV with OT included suggesting this was
>> already  direction that was being pursued.
>>
>> I was trying to extend an offer to help (as a volunteer).  I certainly
>> wasn't aware that permission hadn't been obtained to distribute the ISV
>> with the OT, and the fact the ISV is already distributed with the NT
>> suggests (perhaps incorrectly) that permission has been already obtained.
>> Once Chris made it known that Crosswire has no such permission to
>> distribute newer versions of the ISV I did exactly as Chris asked.  So what
>> infraction have I committed now?
>>
>> Respectfully, if every time a newcomer or volunteer's offer is met with
>> criticism or controversy the treatment of newcomers and volunteers in this
>> group is going to appear somewhat suspect and unwelcoming.  It's a very
>> good way to drive people away from a project.  If my lack of awareness of
>> this prohibition on the ISV is why you're asking me to leave - that says
>> much about this community.
>>
>> Now that I know Crosswire doesn't have permission to distribute versions
>> of the ISV other than the one currently in the repository, I'll respect
>> that.  If others feel as you do, that outside contributions are unwelcome
>> here - I will kick the sand from my sandals and leave
>>
>> ~A
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:20 PM, refdoc at gmx.net <refdoc at gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew, this is now quite enough. Please desist posting further onto our
>>> list. Your presence is undesired
>>>
>>> Sent from my HTC
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Reply message -----
>>> From: "Andrew Thule" <thulester at gmail.com>
>>> To: "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum" <sword-devel at crosswire.org>
>>> Subject: [sword-devel] ISV status?
>>> Date: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 18:53
>>>
>>>
>>> Done.
>>>
>>> I made it available here only in response to this request ..
>>>
>>> ~A
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Chris Little <chrislit at crosswire.org>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andrew, this document is copyrighted. We do not have permission to
>>>> distribute it. You certainly and absolutely do not have permission to
>>>> distribute it, much less to distribute it and claim that we have permission
>>>> to distribute it.
>>>>
>>>> Remove it immediately.
>>>>
>>>> --Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/3/2013 9:37 AM, Andrew Thule wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I believe there's an OSIS file that contains both testaments ... I can
>>>>> forward it if it helps this effort.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are least two versification problems (I haven't bothered to
>>>>> address yet)
>>>>> INFO(V11N): 1Sam.11 is not in the KJV versification. Appending content
>>>>> to 1Sam.10.27
>>>>> INFO(V11N): Rev.13 is not in the KJV versification. Appending content
>>>>> to
>>>>> Rev.12.17
>>>>>
>>>>> I've placed a mod based on this OSIS file in my repo if anyone
>>>>> interested:
>>>>> Repository: 1XO
>>>>> Host: ftp.1xo.net <http://ftp.1xo.net>
>>>>>
>>>>> /1xo/pub/sword/betaraw
>>>>>
>>>>> ~A
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Nic Carter <niccarter at mac.com
>>>>> <mailto:niccarter at mac.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     Hi Team :)
>>>>>
>>>>>     I was wondering where we were at with updating the ISV to include
>>>>>     both the OT & NT?
>>>>>     There was some chatter here about a year ago about it, but it
>>>>>     sounded yuck, given we needed to convert the text from a Word
>>>>>     document...  :/
>>>>>
>>>>>     Thanks, ybic
>>>>>              nic...  :)
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