[sword-devel] Is the 1.6.2 Synodal v11n correct?

[John Austen]

Chris,

I can also confirm that of the 3 newly printed Russian Synodal 
publications which I looked at, all of them have Ps 114:9, but all of 
them lack the other three verse numbers in question (Song 1:17, Isaiah 
3:26, 2Cor 11:33). This all points to the same direction- leaving the 
Sword canon is it currently is. So this is assuring.

But I wonder if it would be more accurate to consider the Synodal v11n 
not as representing a single translation or manuscript, but as being, as 
you said: "designed to fit a maximal set of verses that appear within 
closely related translations or versification systems". The reason I say 
this, is that there are a number of relatively new translations, which 
are based on original language texts, but conform primarily to the 
"Synodal" verse system. These translations are mostly Synodal versified, 
but sometimes follow other verse systems in a place or two. Also, it is 
interesting that most electronic versions of the Synodal DO include the 
three questionable verses, including 2 out of 3 online versions which I 
looked at. Maybe these originated from the same source.

If the Synodal v11n were to become considered as a related form rather 
than as a manuscript. How would that effect the Sword canon?

John

On 08/15/2011 01:04 PM, Костя и Алёна Маслюк wrote:
> I would confirm that Song.1.17, Isa.3.26 and 2Cor.11.33 absent in 
> Synodal from RBS 1998 and Orthodox 1988.
>
> Chris Little <chrislit at crosswire.org> писал(а) в своём письме Wed, 10 
> Aug 2011 14:30:26 +0400:
>
>> On 8/10/2011 1:45 AM, John Austen wrote:
>>> If there are any Synodal experts out there: The Synodal canon was
>>> updated from sword-1.6.1 to 1.6.2 to add Psalms 114:9 which was
>>> previously missing. However, the current 1.6.2 Synodal canon still
>>> appears to be missing a few verses. Running osis2mod on a clean Synodal
>>> OSIS file produces the following results:
>>>
>>> INFO(V11N): Song of Solomon 1:17 is not in the Synodal versification.
>>> INFO(V11N): Song.1.17 is not in the Synodal versification. Appending
>>> content to Song.1.16
>>> INFO(V11N): Isaiah 3:26 is not in the Synodal versification.
>>> INFO(V11N): Isa.3.26 is not in the Synodal versification. Appending
>>> content to Isa.3.25
>>> INFO(V11N): II Corinthians 11:33 is not in the Synodal versification.
>>> INFO(V11N): 2Cor.11.33 is not in the Synodal versification. Appending
>>> content to 2Cor.11.32
>>>
>>> Please advise: Is another fix to the cannon needed?
>>
>> Versification systems in Sword come in two varieties. One type is 
>> based on a single translation or manuscript (e.g. Leningrad, NRSVA, 
>> Luther, & KJV). The other is designed to fit a maximal set of verses 
>> that appear within closely related translations or versification 
>> systems (e.g. Vulg, Catholic, & Catholic2).
>>
>> The Synodal v11n system is of the former type, but was supplemented 
>> by the addition of Ps 114:9 when it was pointed out that some RSBs do 
>> contain a Ps 114:9. (None of the exemplar texts used to generate the 
>> Synodal v11n in 1.6.1 evidence this verse, but it was confirmed in a 
>> printed edition.)
>>
>> I checked the three verses you identify, and they do not appear in 
>> any of the texts we used to create the original 1.6.1 version of 
>> Synodal. I don't have a printed RSB in my possession, and won't have 
>> the opportunity to check one for a few weeks. To consider their 
>> addition, we would need confirmation that these verses exist in this 
>> reference system.
>>
>> Looking at these three verses, though, I note that (in contrast to Ps 
>> 114:9) they are all present in the KJV versification, so I'm obliged 
>> to wonder whether the "clean Synodal OSIS file" you are using hasn't 
>> already been re-versified to the KJV v11n. Are all of the other verse 
>> slots filled with textual content (as reported by emptyvss, for 
>> example)?
>>
>> --Chris
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