[sword-devel] Logos Personal Book Builder

Peter von Kaehne refdoc at gmx.net
Mon Aug 15 10:05:20 MST 2011 

I think mediawiki export script is fine.

I also think if the script could be "disconnected" from mediawiki to take a marked up text and create something from it, we could even create texts from within MS Word/OOo/LO.

Peter
-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:40:51 +0200
> Von: Benjamin Misja <alvanx at googlemail.com>
> An: "SWORD Developers\' Collaboration Forum" <sword-devel at crosswire.org>
> Betreff: Re: [sword-devel] Logos Personal Book Builder

> Jfyi, somebody is working on a script that aims to export mediawiki markup
> to OSIS in order to provide easy snapshots of German community Bible
> translation www.offene-bibel.de. This might be something in the way that
> Peter was imagining. Our translation does use a few custom tags e.g. for
> parallel verses or hebrew text though. For all who know some German:
> http://www.offene-bibel.de/news/ofbi-bibelmodul_inoffizieller_vorabversion
> http://www.offene-bibel.de/forum/osis_konverter
> 
> Would it be worthwhile to pursue this approach and make it applicable to
> module making in general?
> 
> Ben
> 
> 2011/8/15 Peter von Kaehne <refdoc at gmx.net>
> 
> > I think the route of a MS Word/OOo -> module is so fraught with
> > difficulties that it is simply pointless to think one can automatise it.
> >
> > What i can see and many people seem to cope just fine with is using some
> > simple markup used in fora software, wikis and blogs. People then can be
> > told - these are the 20 codes we support and please get going.
> >
> > This is largely semantic markup, but is also easily understood.
> >
> > Peter
> > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > > Datum: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:55:03 +1000
> > > Von: Jonathan Morgan <jonmmorgan at gmail.com>
> > > An: "SWORD Developers\' Collaboration Forum"
> <sword-devel at crosswire.org>
> > > Betreff: Re: [sword-devel] Logos Personal Book Builder
> >
> > > Hi Greg,
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Greg Hellings
> > > <greg.hellings at gmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have pursued the avenue of docx -> Bible conversion in the past
> and,
> > > > allow me to state unequivocally, it is incredibly complex.  The
> sheer
> > > > number of ways to mark up the same item and material makes any sort
> of
> > > > attempt at such a conversion almost impossible to conceive.  I never
> > > > completed the project (my apologies to David for that), but I did
> get
> > > > so far as to have the base text working in SWORD. However, headings
> > > > were in the wrong places, foot notes were acknowledged but not
> > > > present, and many other things were very wrong with the results I
> > > > produced.  Not to mention that the parsing was highly dependent upon
> > > > that one text and the manner in which its editor had elected to
> markup
> > > > his works.  I have since come into possession of better tools which
> > > > would make some parts of the process easier, but by no means would
> it
> > > > be simple.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'm not surprised.  I don't know how long it took Logos to develop
> their
> > > PBB
> > > and how many programmers were involved, but I do know it was
> originally
> > > tentatively planned for 2010.  As you say, I think a big part of the
> > > problem
> > > is the number of ways a thing can be represented as (plus the general
> > > problem of trying to map from presentation to meaning - it's also
> > possible
> > > that Logos has a more presentational format than you are targetting). 
> I
> > > think Logos handles things like verses using pre-defined styles, but
> I've
> > > only played with it, not read the documentation.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Producing a general book might have better results, but it would
> still
> > > > be a monumental undertaking for anyone who wanted to tackle it.  I
> am
> > > > up to my ears right now in other projects or I might consider it.
> > > > Also, I lack any sort of source texts which would make it worthwhile
> > > > for myself to undertake the project.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Indeed.
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > --Greg
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Benjamin Misja
> <alvanx at googlemail.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > The new PBB feature sounds exciting and I will definitely see if I
> > can
> > > > > integrate some papers and additional bible translations into my
> Logos
> > > > library.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would think that having a comparable feature for making SWORD
> > > modules
> > > > would
> > > > > give a huge boost to both the available amount of books and
> community
> > > > > participation. I think SWORD should make tools like this available
> to
> > > the
> > > > > community at any cost. It would take making modules out of the
> hands
> > > of
> > > > those
> > > > > who know at least regular expressions and some programming
> language
> > > and
> > > > put it
> > > > > into the hands of anybody who would want to make a module. I know
> I'd
> > > be
> > > > > making a lot of them if only I could! It would make SWORD so much
> > > cooler
> > > > and
> > > > > more dynamic. ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Just my humble opinion,
> > > > >
> > > > > Ben
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Am Sonntag, 14. August 2011, 23:28:39 schrieb Jonathan Morgan:
> > > > >> I don't usually comment on competing products, but I thought the
> new
> > > > >> (long-expected) Logos Personal Book Builder was worth commenting
> on.
> > > >  You
> > > > >> can find a post about it at
> > > > >>
> > > http://blog.logos.com/2011/08/personal-book-builder-the-inside-scoop/.
> > > >  The
> > > > >> main difference from most software is the fact that books are
> built
> > > by
> > > > >> importing a docx file rather than entering any text into an
> editor,
> > > > which
> > > > >> hopefully means minimal work to make it happen.  The created
> books
> > > can
> > > > then
> > > > >> just be shared as you wish, even through the main Logos servers.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I personally do not intend to do anything about this, but I
> thought
> > > it
> > > > worth
> > > > >> mentioning to see what others thought of the idea.  Certainly
> > > > difficulties
> > > > >> converting the text into a usable form seem to crop up quite a
> bit
> > > for
> > > > >> SWORD, and we have no knowledge of how many people just give up
> > > without
> > > > >> asking (I know there is a project to work with OpenOffice to
> create
> > > > >> Genbooks, but I have never used it and so do not know how capable
> > and
> > > > how
> > > > >> automatic it is).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thoughts?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Jon
> > > > >
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