[sword-devel] Logos Personal Book Builder

Mon Aug 15 09:40:51 MST 2011

Jfyi, somebody is working on a script that aims to export mediawiki markup
to OSIS in order to provide easy snapshots of German community Bible
translation www.offene-bibel.de. This might be something in the way that
Peter was imagining. Our translation does use a few custom tags e.g. for
parallel verses or hebrew text though. For all who know some German:
http://www.offene-bibel.de/news/ofbi-bibelmodul_inoffizieller_vorabversion
http://www.offene-bibel.de/forum/osis_konverter

Would it be worthwhile to pursue this approach and make it applicable to
module making in general?

Ben

2011/8/15 Peter von Kaehne <refdoc at gmx.net>

> I think the route of a MS Word/OOo -> module is so fraught with
> difficulties that it is simply pointless to think one can automatise it.
>
> What i can see and many people seem to cope just fine with is using some
> simple markup used in fora software, wikis and blogs. People then can be
> told - these are the 20 codes we support and please get going.
>
> This is largely semantic markup, but is also easily understood.
>
> Peter
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> > Datum: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:55:03 +1000
> > Von: Jonathan Morgan <jonmmorgan at gmail.com>
> > An: "SWORD Developers\' Collaboration Forum" <sword-devel at crosswire.org>
> > Betreff: Re: [sword-devel] Logos Personal Book Builder
>
> > Hi Greg,
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Greg Hellings
> > <greg.hellings at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > I have pursued the avenue of docx -> Bible conversion in the past and,
> > > allow me to state unequivocally, it is incredibly complex.  The sheer
> > > number of ways to mark up the same item and material makes any sort of
> > > attempt at such a conversion almost impossible to conceive.  I never
> > > completed the project (my apologies to David for that), but I did get
> > > so far as to have the base text working in SWORD. However, headings
> > > were in the wrong places, foot notes were acknowledged but not
> > > present, and many other things were very wrong with the results I
> > > produced.  Not to mention that the parsing was highly dependent upon
> > > that one text and the manner in which its editor had elected to markup
> > > his works.  I have since come into possession of better tools which
> > > would make some parts of the process easier, but by no means would it
> > > be simple.
> > >
> >
> > I'm not surprised.  I don't know how long it took Logos to develop their
> > PBB
> > and how many programmers were involved, but I do know it was originally
> > tentatively planned for 2010.  As you say, I think a big part of the
> > problem
> > is the number of ways a thing can be represented as (plus the general
> > problem of trying to map from presentation to meaning - it's also
> possible
> > that Logos has a more presentational format than you are targetting).  I
> > think Logos handles things like verses using pre-defined styles, but I've
> > only played with it, not read the documentation.
> >
> >
> > > Producing a general book might have better results, but it would still
> > > be a monumental undertaking for anyone who wanted to tackle it.  I am
> > > up to my ears right now in other projects or I might consider it.
> > > Also, I lack any sort of source texts which would make it worthwhile
> > > for myself to undertake the project.
> > >
> >
> > Indeed.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --Greg
> > >
> > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Benjamin Misja <alvanx at googlemail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > The new PBB feature sounds exciting and I will definitely see if I
> can
> > > > integrate some papers and additional bible translations into my Logos
> > > library.
> > > >
> > > > I would think that having a comparable feature for making SWORD
> > modules
> > > would
> > > > give a huge boost to both the available amount of books and community
> > > > participation. I think SWORD should make tools like this available to
> > the
> > > > community at any cost. It would take making modules out of the hands
> > of
> > > those
> > > > who know at least regular expressions and some programming language
> > and
> > > put it
> > > > into the hands of anybody who would want to make a module. I know I'd
> > be
> > > > making a lot of them if only I could! It would make SWORD so much
> > cooler
> > > and
> > > > more dynamic. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Just my humble opinion,
> > > >
> > > > Ben
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Am Sonntag, 14. August 2011, 23:28:39 schrieb Jonathan Morgan:
> > > >> I don't usually comment on competing products, but I thought the new
> > > >> (long-expected) Logos Personal Book Builder was worth commenting on.
> > >  You
> > > >> can find a post about it at
> > > >>
> > http://blog.logos.com/2011/08/personal-book-builder-the-inside-scoop/.
> > >  The
> > > >> main difference from most software is the fact that books are built
> > by
> > > >> importing a docx file rather than entering any text into an editor,
> > > which
> > > >> hopefully means minimal work to make it happen.  The created books
> > can
> > > then
> > > >> just be shared as you wish, even through the main Logos servers.
> > > >>
> > > >> I personally do not intend to do anything about this, but I thought
> > it
> > > worth
> > > >> mentioning to see what others thought of the idea.  Certainly
> > > difficulties
> > > >> converting the text into a usable form seem to crop up quite a bit
> > for
> > > >> SWORD, and we have no knowledge of how many people just give up
> > without
> > > >> asking (I know there is a project to work with OpenOffice to create
> > > >> Genbooks, but I have never used it and so do not know how capable
> and
> > > how
> > > >> automatic it is).
> > > >>
> > > >> Thoughts?
> > > >>
> > > >> Jon
> > > >
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