[sword-devel] KJV vs Russian Synodal versification comparison
andy at MangoRed.net
Wed Apr 20 19:09:32 MST 2011
Sorry - that was a typo (Are you sure that there are verse ranges over
chapters? (Lev "14" :56 - Lev "15" :57))
Should've been: Lev "14" :56 - Lev "14" :57
Thanks for offering to ask your friend for help but I am making the verse
text content comparison myself.
A I mentioned, the problem may not be the versification mapping between
Synodal and KJV but with the new text mapping it incorrectly. I will try
sort this out further and get back to you.
From: Konstantin Maslyuk [mailto:kalemas at mail.ru]
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 2:09 PM
To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] KJV vs Russian Synodal versification comparison
> Sorry for now answering earlier - your file has been incredibly
> helpful in trying to understand this and to chase down where this
> mapping should come in! However I am still trying to pick my way
> through this! It seems that there are not only different
> versification formats (KJV and Synodal) but that different Synodal
> versions have different (possibly incorrect) mapping as well :-(
> Additionally it seems that the versification is of course different
> between the Protestant Synodal and the Synodal!
Sorry i haven't any Protestant Synodal Bible all i use is printed
Synodal Bible from Russian Bible Society. I m not sure why Protestant
Synodal Bible versification should be different.
Of course my data is applicable to versification used in Sword
Project. But i found only one place different between Sword
and my printed reference versification, it was somewhere in Psalms and i
would look for it for you (one verse had two entries instead of one in
> This has caused me a bit of a headache I'm afraid to say!
> Let me explain...
> I now have your Synodal xml reference, 1 product's reference (and
> another product that supports this versification to look at) and 1
> "cheat sheet" to explain the mappings. It seems that neither
> reference matches exactly to what we have, although, the products
> both work as expected?!
This is also not clear to me. Would you describe what it is, what type of
content: text or versification scheme reference, what language and what
versification it supposed to be.
> Eg: (and I appreciate that you said your file does contain errors
> but I'm just trying to sort out where they might be - either on our
> side or in the file you sent)
I say that my file may contain errors, but every verse that explicitly
described in my table in mappings section was checked and manually
mapped to corresponding KJV verse by its text. There would be mapping
errors in places that absent at all in table, in cases where one verse was
expanded in two (has one entry in KJV and two or more entries in
Synodal) and then compressed in one in range of one chapter.
> KJV Synodal
> In your file: Lev.14.55-Lev.14.56 Lev.14.55
> Ref1: Lev 14:56 Lev 14:55
> Lev 14:57 Lev 14:56
> Ref2: Lev 14:55 - Lev 15:56 Lev 14:55
> Lev 14:57 Lev 14:56
> Kazakh text: Lev 14:56 - Lev 15:57 Lev 14:56
Are you sure that there are verse ranges over chapters?
(Lev "14" :56 - Lev "15" :57)
If here is mistake, then my data is according to your Ref2. Otherwise i
can not understand how one verse in Synodal text would be expanded to range
> Now I'm not sure which it should be, but it seems that the Kazakh
> text is totally different to everyone else :-( Which may mean a
> mistake in the Kazakh text :-(
> And to add to the situation this verse talks about "clean and
> unclean" ;-)
To make it clear it would be helpful to make comparison by verse text
contents. I have a friend from Kazakhstan if you have problems with this.
And fairly the table above it is not clear to me, what text
corresponds to what.
> I guess what I really need is "the ultimate reference to differences
> in mapping between the KJV and the Protestant Synodal" if someone
> has compiled that?!
> Until then I need to unpick a bit more of where these differences
> are occurring. Hopefully I can feed back to everyone once I have a
> clearer view. Any further suggestions would be a great help!
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