[sword-devel] OSIS variants

[Daniel Owens]

Okay, I think I understand better. I think the main concern with keeping 
a variant as a toggled option is that it be searchable and able to be 
queried for lemma and morphology. As long as that can happen in a note, 
I'm happy with keeping it there. I think it makes sense that way, but I 
can see the other side of it. I think the engine should support both 
variants in notes and as an option to toggle.

Daniel

On 1/7/2010 7:59 PM, Chris Little wrote:
> We have probably got a few Bibles released that use the markup 
> suggested in the Wiki. It looks like I either forgot to write or 
> forgot to commit the code to actually make this work in Sword.
>
> How to represent ketiv & qere readings in OSIS depends on how you 
> interpret them and how you want to display them.
>
> If you want to place the qere reading within a note identifying it as 
> a secondary reading, then the markup suggested by the OSIS manual is 
> what you should follow. (<note><rdg type="alternate">...</rdg></note>) 
> This is essentially what the printed BHS does, and this will work 
> correctly in Sword already.
>
> If you want to allow the user to toggle the two readings in place, so 
> that the program displays either the ketiv, the qere, or both, then 
> you should follow the markup suggested by our Wiki. (<seg 
> type="x-variant" subType="x-1">...</seg><seg type="x-variant" 
> subType="x-2">...</seg>)
>
> I'm not actually sure that toggling readings makes that much sense in 
> general. The use of OSIS <rdg> in <note> makes more sense, both for 
> ketiv/qere readings and the GNTs that have variant readings.
>
> Note that <rdg> must occur within <note>. I believe you can place it 
> in a <p> outside of <note>, but this is an unintended side effect of 
> the limitations of XML Schema. If OSIS moves to a more powerful schema 
> language, these types of problems might be fixed.
>
> --Chris
>
>
> On 1/7/2010 3:59 PM, Daniel Owens wrote:
>> Troy,
>>
>> With a hint from David Troidl, I see now that on p. 82 of the OSIS
>> manual the rdg element can contain w elements. I suppose the markup
>> could look like this:
>>
>> <rdg type="alternate" subType="x-ketiv"><w
>> lemma="strong:H0318">הוצא</w></rdg><rdg type="alternate"
>> subType="x-qere"><w lemma="strong:H3318">הַיְצֵ֣א</w></rdg>
>>
>> Would that link the two sufficiently? I am guessing a bit on the subType
>> attribute. I suppose it could be x-1 and x-2, with x-1 defined as Ketiv
>> and x-2 defined as Qere.
>>
>> Anyway, that's as far as I've gotten.
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> On 1/7/2010 4:08 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>>> Daniel,
>>>
>>> Thanks for pushing this. I've looked at the OSISVariants filter and it
>>> does indeed look (as stated in the Jira report by you and Chris) 
>>> that it
>>> has never been used for anything useful. I'll try to nail down the
>>> exact syntax for OSIS variant readings in general (not simply qere, as
>>> we will have phrases and such in the NT) and update the filter to work
>>> with this syntax. I'm not sure what authoritative source was used for
>>> whoever posted the wiki example-- it may be exactly correct, but I 
>>> would
>>> like to see something in the schema, user manual, or osis-core post
>>> confirming the syntax before we settle on one to support for our
>>> filter. Should be quick to code once the syntax is nailed down.
>>>
>>> Troy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/07/2010 01:36 PM, Daniel Owens wrote:
>>>> Sorry to answer my own post, but I see that OSISVariants is a global
>>>> option filter. I have added that to the wiki. Now to figure out how to
>>>> mark it up in OSIS...
>>>>
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>> On 1/7/2010 2:27 PM, Daniel Owens wrote:
>>>>> I see that SWORD supports ThML variants very well, but I am trying to
>>>>> create a module with variants in OSIS. Consulting the wiki, I see
>>>>> that I should mark these up as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>> <seg type="x-variant" subType="x-1"><w
>>>>> lemma="strong:H0318">הוצא</w></seg>
>>>>> <seg type="x-variant" subType="x-2"><w
>>>>> lemma="strong:H3318">הַיְצֵ֣א</w></seg>
>>>>>
>>>>> However, since there is no conf option for this, both variants show
>>>>> up in the text (Xiphos and BibleTime). This is the way the current
>>>>> WLC module displays the Ketiv/Qere readings, but I would like to
>>>>> produce a module that allows you to toggle between Ketiv/Qere
>>>>> readings. Is this a part of the engine that hasn't made it to the
>>>>> front-ends, or am I missing a conf file option (or just out to 
>>>>> lunch)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>
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