[sword-devel] sword-devel Digest, Vol 73, Issue 45

[Chris Burrell]

Brian, Wes, Yiguang

Would you like to start on the following tickets:

Yiguang, would you like to look at
http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP-54 [hoping you manage to get passed
the OOM - let me have a trace]
Wes, would you like to take on http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP-51
Brian, since you said you hadn't done much Java stuff before, it might be
worth looking at the Bookmark pane and see how that goes:
http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP-53

Just wondering too, if Wes or Brian have had a chance to try and set up a
working local copy of STEP.

As a side note, I'd like to aim for a test coverage of 80% if we can, and if
we find that's too hard in the UI side of stuff, then maybe something like
70% might be a reasonable first target. Let's see how it goes.

Also, are you all three on the sword-devel mailing list? just wondering if i
need to post to sword-devel and jsword-devel
Chris



On 22 April 2010 19:51, Chris Burrell <chris at burrell.me.uk> wrote:

> Hi Brian
>
> See my email below. There's plenty to do. If you focus on some of the main
> UI design stuff. I think initially we probably mainly want to discuss how it
> looks!
>
> GWT makes UIs particularly easy to code in Java, so that's possibly a good
> place to start. If we were to break out the UIs into parts we need to think
> about:
>
> Display of the Bible: how to go from one view to another
> Disabling/Enabling Bible display features: for example enabling a
> interlinear which changes the way the Bible is displayed
> Disabling/enabling viewing the timeline module and later on maps,
> genealogies, etc.
> General navigation, how you go from one passage to another, and then how
> you go from timeline content to maps, and back to the passage, etc.
>
> I'm sure there's plenty of UI to divide between us all. It's just a
> question of defining it first. Some of the UI navigation might be quite
> simple Java to start with so maybe that's a good place to start?
>
> Chris
>
>
> On 22 April 2010 19:37, Chris Burrell <chris at burrell.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> Great news!
>>
>> Would you like to checkout the code, try and build it and then pick a JIRA
>> issue from http://crosswire.org/bugs and go for it. There's a wiki page
>> http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep_Build_Environment which
>> should hopefully help.
>>
>> There are some basic user interface tasks in there (both defining,
>> designing and implementing the core functionality). In that respect, the
>> main thing to bear in mind is that we will have a lot of content related to
>> a Bible passage and therefore we want clever and discrete ways of notifying
>> the user "This passage has some timeline data" or "This passage has lots of
>> articles, some google maps locations and some timeline elements"... I think
>> the screenshot here: http://code.google.com/p/xulsword/ looks pretty
>> good, and we good build on some of those principles maybe.
>>
>> The UI is mostly undefined at the moment, so good progress on that would
>> help every other feature coming up, if we can integrate that easily. The
>> main idea is to have at least two passages in parallel as a starter
>> (configurable later perhaps).
>>
>> Secondly, on the more content-side, we need to get the interlinears
>> finished off.  A lot of the code for reverse interlinear is there on the
>> server side, but we also need to make sure it displays correctly on the user
>> interface and give options to the user to choose (normal mode, interlinear,
>> reverse interlinear).
>>
>> If you're not familiar with the idea of an interlinear (which was the case
>> for me a few months ago), basically we have:
>> *classic interlinear*: main passage is the Greek or Hebrew, and then we
>> put the English or French or ... underneath using the strong numbers and if
>> possible morphology details as well.
>> *
>> *
>> *reverse interlinear: * the reverse, starting from the translated
>> language (English, etc..) you then put the Greek or Hebrew underneath
>>
>> There's probably more stuff. Definitely have a look in JIRA and tell me if
>> you see some basic things missing out of version 0.1!
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22 April 2010 03:14, Wes Widner <wes at werxltd.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd love to help as well. I know Java/GWT..
>>>
>>> -Wes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Yiguang Hu <yighu at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would like to see what I can help. I know java/groovy/grails and GWT.
>>>>
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>>>> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 20:07:06 +0100
>>>> From: Chris Burrell <chris at burrell.me.uk>
>>>> To: J-Sword Developers Mailing List <jsword-devel at crosswire.org>,
>>>>     "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum" <sword-devel at crosswire.org>
>>>> Cc: "tyndalestep.prog" <TyndaleSTEP.Prog at blogger.com>
>>>> Subject: [sword-devel] New data, new CrossWire project, HELP WANTED
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>>>> *What is Tyndale STEP?*
>>>> Tyndale STEP is an offline and online Java web application which aims to
>>>> make ancient texts and maps as well as timeline data, genealogies, ...
>>>> accessible to everyone, scholar and non-scholar alike, so that the Bible
>>>> is
>>>> illuminated by its full ancient context. [see roadmap below]. Tyndale
>>>> House
>>>> will also distribute the online version to pastors in the third world,
>>>> who
>>>> often can?t afford commercial Bible software.
>>>>
>>>> A wiki page has been set up here:
>>>> http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep which has a lot more
>>>> information!
>>>>
>>>> *Who are we looking for?*
>>>> We need lots of help!
>>>> ? *Java developers*: this code base is mainly in Java so we can do with
>>>> all
>>>> the help we can get!
>>>> ? *User Interface designers*: there is currently a sketch of the user
>>>> interface, created more to prove a point. We need proper guidance to
>>>> make
>>>> the software as user friendly and rich as possible
>>>> ? *Data harvesters*: Tyndale House could do with a few extra pairs of
>>>> hands
>>>> to helpcollate the data and make it available to the wider CrossWire
>>>> community
>>>>
>>>> *How do I start?*
>>>> ? Get in touch!
>>>> ? Read through the wiki page:
>>>> http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep
>>>> ? Build the code from:
>>>> http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep_Build_Environment
>>>> ? Check out our feature/bug repository:
>>>> http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP
>>>> ? Have a look at the proof of concept sketches at
>>>> http://crosswire.org:8080/~chrisburrell/ (including timelines and
>>>> interlinears on strong-tagged Bibles)
>>>> ? Peruse the blogs mentioned on the wiki to get a feel for the data and
>>>> programming
>>>>
>>>> As you can see, there?s plenty to do!
>>>>
>>>> *What does the roadmap look like?*
>>>>
>>>> *1st phase: build a multi-platform structure for standard Bible-study
>>>> tools:
>>>> *
>>>> ? Bible texts, including original languages, translations and
>>>> interlinears
>>>> ? Language aids, including lookup-dictionaries concordance searches
>>>> ? History tools, including an expandable timeline with scripture links
>>>> ? Dictionary articles, culled from various sources and edited
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>> *2nd phase: add detailed geographic, historic & linguistic data*
>>>> ? Gazetteer of all named places, with short articles and links to
>>>> pictures
>>>> ? Co-ordinates of identifiable places to GoogleEarth
>>>> ? Map overlays of high-ref 1:20,000 maps of pre-urbanised Palestine
>>>> ? Flexible timelines which can be altered at key points of uncertainty
>>>> ? Full-text lexicons linked to the lookup dictionaries in tagged texts
>>>>
>>>> *3rd phase: add translation aids and links to modern publications*
>>>> ? different possible translations for words and passages
>>>> ? differences in manuscripts, with evidence for each variant
>>>> ? expositions in modern and older commentaries, articles and books
>>>>
>>>> *4th phase: adds link to extra-biblical literature with searching:*
>>>> ? search other ancient literature for similar passages in a similar
>>>> context
>>>> ? look up Greek and Hebrew words in other ancient literature
>>>> ? view ancient texts with translations where possible
>>>>
>>>> These tools will put centuries of research into the hands of
>>>> non-scholars.
>>>> When the information is laid open like this, it is easy to see that the
>>>> Bible is well preserved and translated, reflecting historical events in
>>>> real
>>>> places, and dealing with issues current in the ancient and modern work
>>>> alike.
>>>>
>>>> If you have any more questions or want to get involved, please do let me
>>>> know!
>>>> Chris
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>>>> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:07:07 +0100
>>>> From: Chris Burrell <chris at burrell.me.uk>
>>>> To: Daniel Owens <dhowens at pmbx.net>
>>>> Cc: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum <sword-devel at crosswire.org>,
>>>>     TExT <editors at textonline.org>,    J-Sword Developers Mailing List
>>>>     <jsword-devel at crosswire.org>
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>>>> Hi Daniel
>>>>
>>>> I'm copying David IB from Tyndale House who is part of Tyndale House and
>>>> leading the data side of the project.
>>>>
>>>> A couple of emails have circulated on this previously on our blogs,
>>>> which
>>>> I've tried to capture (in part) on
>>>> http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP-44
>>>> http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP-45
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure David IB will have more to input on this... I've copied his
>>>> original email below
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> ==========================================
>>>> THis is the best lookup lexicon to use for Hebrew interlinear - it is
>>>> tagged
>>>> to Strongs, includes the pointed Hebrew and has an abbreviated BDB
>>>> entry.
>>>> And the version downloadable from http://github.com/openscriptures has
>>>> even
>>>> more corrections than mine. For all I know, it might finally be letter
>>>> perfect! THis version is also packaged in nice XML which can easily be
>>>> converted to any other DB format.
>>>>
>>>> The equivalent lexicon at Crosswire for Greek is, I think, in a much
>>>> better
>>>> state, and didn't need all the work the Hebrew did.
>>>>
>>>> The version of the tagged OT text at http://github.com/openscripturesis
>>>> also in very good condition (prob better than the one at Crosswire). It
>>>> appears to only contain PD data - ie it doesn't include the more
>>>> complete
>>>> morphology data which is copyrighted.
>>>>
>>>> David IB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 21 April 2010 23:22, Daniel Owens <dhowens at pmbx.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Chris,
>>>> >
>>>> > I am not qualified to contribute code (though I lurk on sword-devel
>>>> because
>>>> > of my module-creating disposition), but I am involved in producing
>>>> content
>>>> > for the very purpose you mention. By the way, if you are at Tyndale
>>>> House
>>>> > now, you may know Daniel Block. He is my PhD mentor at Wheaton
>>>> College.
>>>> >
>>>> > There are two content areas with which I am involved and would be
>>>> happy to
>>>> > collaborate on. One is Greek and Hebrew lexica. Currently at
>>>> > www.textonline.org we are involved in collaboratively producing a
>>>> modern
>>>> > replacement for Strongs. We're starting with a Strongs base but hope
>>>> to
>>>> > provide a basic and up-to-date modern equivalent to Holladay for
>>>> Hebrew or
>>>> > Newman for Greek, except that they will be released under a creative
>>>> commons
>>>> > license. The challenge is finding people to contribute quality entries
>>>> with
>>>> > little or no possibility of accolades in the guild of biblical studies
>>>> (and
>>>> > certainly no money!). The other project is a collaboratively produced
>>>> > morphologically tagged Hebrew text (see www.OpenScriptures.org). For
>>>> that
>>>> > we are looking at Django and Pinax as the applications for
>>>> collaborating on
>>>> > putting together the data. For me, the purpose of this is to fill a
>>>> void of
>>>> > content for SWORD in order to serve the global church.
>>>> >
>>>> > I notice that full-text lexicons are part of the second phase of your
>>>> plan.
>>>> > Is there any way we can begin to collaborate on that? I am open to
>>>> your
>>>> > suggestions.
>>>> >
>>>> > Daniel
>>>> >
>>>> > On 4/21/2010 2:07 PM, Chris Burrell wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> *What is Tyndale STEP?*
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Tyndale STEP is an offline and online Java web application which aims
>>>> to
>>>> >> make ancient texts and maps as well as timeline data, genealogies,
>>>> ...
>>>> >> accessible to everyone, scholar and non-scholar alike, so that the
>>>> Bible is
>>>> >> illuminated by its full ancient context. [see roadmap below]. Tyndale
>>>> House
>>>> >> will also distribute the online version to pastors in the third
>>>> world, who
>>>> >> often can?t afford commercial Bible software.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> A wiki page has been set up here:
>>>> >> http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep which has a lot more
>>>> >> information!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *Who are we looking for?*
>>>> >> We need lots of help!
>>>> >> ? *Java developers*: this code base is mainly in Java so we can do
>>>> with
>>>> >> all the help we can get!
>>>> >> ? *User Interface designers*: there is currently a sketch of the user
>>>> >> interface, created more to prove a point. We need proper guidance to
>>>> make
>>>> >> the software as user friendly and rich as possible
>>>> >> ? *Data harvesters*: Tyndale House could do with a few extra pairs of
>>>> >> hands to helpcollate the data and make it available to the wider
>>>> CrossWire
>>>> >> community
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *How do I start?*
>>>> >> ? Get in touch!
>>>> >> ? Read through the wiki page:
>>>> >> http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep
>>>> >> ? Build the code from:
>>>> >> http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep_Build_Environment
>>>> >> ? Check out our feature/bug repository:
>>>> >> http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP
>>>> >> ? Have a look at the proof of concept sketches at
>>>> >> http://crosswire.org:8080/~chrisburrell/ <
>>>> >> http://crosswire.org:8080/%7Echrisburrell/> (including timelines and
>>>> >> interlinears on strong-tagged Bibles)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ? Peruse the blogs mentioned on the wiki to get a feel for the data
>>>> and
>>>> >> programming
>>>> >>
>>>> >> As you can see, there?s plenty to do!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *What does the roadmap look like?*
>>>> >>
>>>> >> */1st phase: build a multi-platform structure for standard
>>>> Bible-study
>>>> >> tools:/*
>>>> >> ? Bible texts, including original languages, translations and
>>>> interlinears
>>>> >> ? Language aids, including lookup-dictionaries concordance searches
>>>> >> ? History tools, including an expandable timeline with scripture
>>>> links
>>>> >> ? Dictionary articles, culled from various sources and edited
>>>> >> */
>>>> >> /*
>>>> >> */2nd phase: add detailed geographic, historic & linguistic data/*
>>>> >> ? Gazetteer of all named places, with short articles and links to
>>>> pictures
>>>> >> ? Co-ordinates of identifiable places to GoogleEarth
>>>> >> ? Map overlays of high-ref 1:20,000 maps of pre-urbanised Palestine
>>>> >> ? Flexible timelines which can be altered at key points of
>>>> uncertainty
>>>> >> ? Full-text lexicons linked to the lookup dictionaries in tagged
>>>> texts
>>>> >>
>>>> >> */3rd phase: add translation aids and links to modern publications/*
>>>> >> ? different possible translations for words and passages
>>>> >> ? differences in manuscripts, with evidence for each variant
>>>> >> ? expositions in modern and older commentaries, articles and books
>>>> >>
>>>> >> */4th phase: adds link to extra-biblical literature with searching:/*
>>>> >> ? search other ancient literature for similar passages in a similar
>>>> >> context
>>>> >> ? look up Greek and Hebrew words in other ancient literature
>>>> >> ? view ancient texts with translations where possible
>>>> >>
>>>> >> These tools will put centuries of research into the hands of
>>>> non-scholars.
>>>> >> When the information is laid open like this, it is easy to see that
>>>> the
>>>> >> Bible is well preserved and translated, reflecting historical events
>>>> in real
>>>> >> places, and dealing with issues current in the ancient and modern
>>>> work
>>>> >> alike.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> If you have any more questions or want to get involved, please do let
>>>> me
>>>> >> know!
>>>> >> Chris
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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