[sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

Mon Jan 21 16:21:54 MST 2008

Peter,

David emailed the arabicbible.com people requesting permission, but I
like you do not know whether or not permission is needed.

I did want to ask about this...

http://www.e-sword.net/bibles.html

As esword used the arabicbible.com's translation for a module, could
you just use the esword module, which has the vowels?

On Jan 21, 2008 4:03 PM, peter <refdoc at gmx.net> wrote:
> The van Dyke translation is from 1865 IIRC. So all copyrights are well
> gone and it is quite impossible to assert any kind of copyrights simply
> on the act of format shifting from paper onto MS word or e-sword. This
> would be ludicrous.
>
> The problem i see is that the text might after all _not_ be the van Dyke
> Bible, but some revision, which might then well be quite correctly
> copyrighted. I am not in a position to clarify whether this is the case
> or not.
>
> So creating a module is step one, but not distributing it (up to that
> point is 'fair use' in the USA or in e.g. Germany) and then showing them
> what you did + asking them for permission to pass on.
>
> I had a lengthy conversation once with a Bible Society director who
> explaine dto me why they sometimes claim copyrights which are in all
> honesty already quite dead (due to expiry) and that is to hinder enemies
> of the Gospel to create pseudo translations with carefully introduced
> falsehoods e..g a certain prophet was send by God and announced by Jesus
> Christ. So, if you can prove your credentials and your aqbility (by
> creating a sword module) you will in all likelihood run into open doors
> when you finally get round to asking them,
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
> John H. wrote:
> > Yeah, I know what you mean.
> >
> > Please let me know if you need someone to test a module with vowels:)
> >
> > On Jan 21, 2008 3:00 AM, peter <refdoc at gmx.net> wrote:
> >> John H. wrote:
> >>> Peter,
> >>>
> >>> All printed copies I have seen, I have noticed the vowels as well.
> >>>
> >>> I just pointed to this one because it was easily accessible and
> >>> already had the vowels.  I was just wondering how to get a sword
> >>> module with the vowels, however possible:)
> >> I think then the assertion of copyright in the website is simply not
> >> sustainable and we can take the work. It might not be the most friendly
> >> act, but it would be well within the law.
> >>
> >> Personally I found the best approach to negotiations of this kind is to
> >> take the text + run, create the module and then present it back - "see
> >> what we can do with your module. We want to acknowledge you, obviously.
> >> What do you think?"
> >>
> >> peter
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jan 21, 2008 2:43 AM, peter <refdoc at gmx.net> wrote:
> >>>> Irrespective of this labour of love etc, I do doubt that vowel signs can
> >>>> be copyrighted.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would think if the Van Dyke is public domain so this is , unless there
> >>>> are more profound revisions done. In fact all printed editions I have
> >>>> ever seen, have the vocalisation present, so this is not copyrightable IMHO.
> >>>>
> >>>> Just because you put your mind to getting something from paper to
> >>>> electrons does not create a copyright.
> >>>>
> >>>> Peter
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> John H. wrote:
> >>>>> This goes into more depth about it...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/vandyke.htm
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Specifically...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "These Arabic MS Word Documents of the Arabic Bible Vandyke
> >>>>> Translation are available for your personnel use.  Any of the
> >>>>> followings:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    1.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>       Posting them on the internet
> >>>>>    2.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>       Selling them
> >>>>>    3.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>       Altering them
> >>>>>
> >>>>> without the exclusive permission from the Webmaster of the Arabic
> >>>>> Bible Outreach Ministry (webmaster at info@arabicbible.com) is strictly
> >>>>> prohibited.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Copy Rights are Exclusive for the Arabic Bible Outreach Ministry .
> >>>>>  They are posted on the Internet for readers to download for personnel
> >>>>> use.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This labor of love was performed by a young man from Egypt by the name
> >>>>> of Usama K. He poured 4 years of his life into this monumental work.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We thank the Lord for raising men who dedicated their lives to publish
> >>>>> the Arabic Bible free for the Arab world. All praise is for our Lord
> >>>>> and redeemer Jesus Christ.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>      Abd El-Massih,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>      Webmaster"
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/use.htm
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Jan 21, 2008 2:08 AM, Chris Little <chrislit at crosswire.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> On Jan 20, 2008, at 11:09 PM, John H. wrote:
> >>>>>>> I was wondering how to get the vowels to display in the ASV module?
> >>>>>> A new module would need to be created.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> A word document with all the vowels is available here...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/doc_bible.htm
> >>>>>>> In the ASV version.
> >>>>>> To use that text, we would need permission from the website and then
> >>>>>> someone would have to extract the text from the Word documents into a
> >>>>>> usable Unicode text (which doesn't look too difficult) and make an
> >>>>>> OSIS document out of it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --Chris
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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