[sword-devel] How to get vowels in the Arabic bible module?

[peter]

The van Dyke translation is from 1865 IIRC. So all copyrights are well
gone and it is quite impossible to assert any kind of copyrights simply
on the act of format shifting from paper onto MS word or e-sword. This
would be ludicrous.

The problem i see is that the text might after all _not_ be the van Dyke
Bible, but some revision, which might then well be quite correctly
copyrighted. I am not in a position to clarify whether this is the case
or not.

So creating a module is step one, but not distributing it (up to that
point is 'fair use' in the USA or in e.g. Germany) and then showing them
what you did + asking them for permission to pass on.

I had a lengthy conversation once with a Bible Society director who
explaine dto me why they sometimes claim copyrights which are in all
honesty already quite dead (due to expiry) and that is to hinder enemies
of the Gospel to create pseudo translations with carefully introduced
falsehoods e..g a certain prophet was send by God and announced by Jesus
Christ. So, if you can prove your credentials and your aqbility (by
creating a sword module) you will in all likelihood run into open doors
when you finally get round to asking them,

Peter



John H. wrote:
> Yeah, I know what you mean.
> 
> Please let me know if you need someone to test a module with vowels:)
> 
> On Jan 21, 2008 3:00 AM, peter <refdoc at gmx.net> wrote:
>> John H. wrote:
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> All printed copies I have seen, I have noticed the vowels as well.
>>>
>>> I just pointed to this one because it was easily accessible and
>>> already had the vowels.  I was just wondering how to get a sword
>>> module with the vowels, however possible:)
>> I think then the assertion of copyright in the website is simply not
>> sustainable and we can take the work. It might not be the most friendly
>> act, but it would be well within the law.
>>
>> Personally I found the best approach to negotiations of this kind is to
>> take the text + run, create the module and then present it back - "see
>> what we can do with your module. We want to acknowledge you, obviously.
>> What do you think?"
>>
>> peter
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2008 2:43 AM, peter <refdoc at gmx.net> wrote:
>>>> Irrespective of this labour of love etc, I do doubt that vowel signs can
>>>> be copyrighted.
>>>>
>>>> I would think if the Van Dyke is public domain so this is , unless there
>>>> are more profound revisions done. In fact all printed editions I have
>>>> ever seen, have the vocalisation present, so this is not copyrightable IMHO.
>>>>
>>>> Just because you put your mind to getting something from paper to
>>>> electrons does not create a copyright.
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John H. wrote:
>>>>> This goes into more depth about it...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/vandyke.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Specifically...
>>>>>
>>>>> "These Arabic MS Word Documents of the Arabic Bible Vandyke
>>>>> Translation are available for your personnel use.  Any of the
>>>>> followings:
>>>>>
>>>>>    1.
>>>>>
>>>>>       Posting them on the internet
>>>>>    2.
>>>>>
>>>>>       Selling them
>>>>>    3.
>>>>>
>>>>>       Altering them
>>>>>
>>>>> without the exclusive permission from the Webmaster of the Arabic
>>>>> Bible Outreach Ministry (webmaster at info@arabicbible.com) is strictly
>>>>> prohibited.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Copy Rights are Exclusive for the Arabic Bible Outreach Ministry .
>>>>>  They are posted on the Internet for readers to download for personnel
>>>>> use.
>>>>>
>>>>> This labor of love was performed by a young man from Egypt by the name
>>>>> of Usama K. He poured 4 years of his life into this monumental work.
>>>>>
>>>>> We thank the Lord for raising men who dedicated their lives to publish
>>>>> the Arabic Bible free for the Arab world. All praise is for our Lord
>>>>> and redeemer Jesus Christ.
>>>>>
>>>>>      Abd El-Massih,
>>>>>
>>>>>      Webmaster"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/use.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 21, 2008 2:08 AM, Chris Little <chrislit at crosswire.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2008, at 11:09 PM, John H. wrote:
>>>>>>> I was wondering how to get the vowels to display in the ASV module?
>>>>>> A new module would need to be created.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A word document with all the vowels is available here...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/doc_bible.htm
>>>>>>> In the ASV version.
>>>>>> To use that text, we would need permission from the website and then
>>>>>> someone would have to extract the text from the Word documents into a
>>>>>> usable Unicode text (which doesn't look too difficult) and make an
>>>>>> OSIS document out of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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