[sword-devel] introduction & more dutch bible translations?

Troy A. Griffitts scribe at crosswire.org
Wed Nov 1 13:34:43 MST 2006 

Sorry Johan,


> - has anyone ever attempted to get other dutch bible translations?
> answer: people found most dutch bibles copyrighted, but no-one has ever
> contacted the copyright holders (NBG, GBS) with a request to give rights to
> use some translation in Sword.
>   
Correct, as far as I know.  According to our old copyright website:
http://crosswire.org/copyright/ModDispCopyright.jsp?modType=Bibles

The only listing for Dutch Bibles is:

*Language: nl *
DutSVV 
<http://crosswire.org/copyright/ModInfoCopyright.jsp?modName=DutSVV> 
Dutch Statenvertaling


Which show that it is public domain.  This would indicate to me that no 
one has officially attempted to contact publishers of other Dutch Bibles.


> - what is legally necessary to make a translation usable in Sword (do you
> i.e. need a contract) ?
> answer: as a volunteer I only need to contact the copyright holders and
> investigate if they are willing to share their translations. If so, we
> should inform Sword at copyright at crosswire.org and turn our contact.
> Crosswire will take care of any legal formalities.
>   
Yes.  If you find that the publisher is interested in letting their text 
be used in SWORD software either for free or for a fee that they will 
collect then they can contact me via email at troy at crosswire.org, or 
else mail any legal contracts which need to be signed to our postal 
address listed on our website.


> - what does it (technically) take to turn this into a format that is usable
> in the Sword project?
> answer: As a volunteer, willing to investigate the willingness of copyright
> holders to share the Word of God through Sword, I do not need to care of
> any technical issue. They will be dealt with later on.
>   
Yes.  Ultimately we would like data directly from the publishers, to 
ensure we have a faithful representation of their text, but we will 
handle the conversion of their data.

>
> Am I right?
>   
Yes, I believe you have the idea.  My apologies for not responding 
sooner.  Often we get busy around here with our heads down into a 
project and only speak up when someone is wrong-- not when they get it 
right.  We should be better at this.  Thank you again for your 
willingness to help.  I personally know Kees de Blois of the United 
Bible Societies and Dave van Grootheest of the Netherlands Bible 
Society, who both live in the Netherlands.  If either of these 
organizations come up in your investigation, I might be able to gain a 
favor.  Let me know if I can help.

    -Troy.




>
> If anyone would like to co-operate within the Netherlands, you can email me
> at johanlingen at gmail.com. We could i.e. not only call or write, but also
> visit the copyright holders. This usually has more impact.
>
> In Christ,
>
> Johan
>
>
>   
>> On Monday 23 October 2006 20:00, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>>     
>>> Dear brothers desiring to help in regard to Dutch Bibles,
>>>
>>> 	It has been quite some time since we've had anyone actively update our
>>> copyright progress website at:
>>>
>>> 	http://crosswire.org/copyright/
>>>
>>> 	Maybe it would be a good idea to move this data to our wiki so people
>>> can update their progress, now that we have our wiki back online again:
>>>
>>> 	http://crosswire.org/wiki
>>>
>>>
>>> 	We would love to have Dutch speakers contact Dutch Bible Societies
>>> regarding distribution permission.
>>>
>>> 	My personal desire is to see God's Word disseminated to a wider
>>> audience through our work.  Thank you for your willingness to serve
>>> together!
>>>
>>> 	-Troy A. Griffitts
>>>
>>> Gertjan Francke wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Dear brothers in Christ,
>>>>
>>>> I'm a Dutch student in Computer Science from Holland and I am a
>>>> Christian believer. I've also asked myself why there are no recent
>>>> Dutch texts in the SWORD-project. Has the NBG or GBS never heard about
>>>> the possibilities how they can publish their texts, even copyrighted
>>>> texts?
>>>>
>>>> My questions to anybody in this list are:
>>>>
>>>> Has anybody had contact with the NBG or GBS in Holland about SWORD?
>>>> Does anybody knows about the position of these organisations towards
>>>> SWORD? Does anybody has the knowledge how to get NBG and GBS involved
>>>> into SWORD? What are the necessary steps to succesfully publish
>>>> copyrighted texts in Holland?
>>>>
>>>> Please share your knowledge
>>>>
>>>> Gertjan Francke
>>>>
>>>> On 10/19/06, Maurits Obbink <Lists at obbink.org> wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> Johan,
>>>>>
>>>>> All modern Dutch version are copyrighted.
>>>>> e.g. NBG51
>>>>> NBV etc.
>>>>> so you would need the permission of the copyright owner.
>>>>>
>>>>> But if you, like you could update the Dutch Statenvertaling.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can give you a quite extensive list of errors.
>>>>> (compared to the print version (version Gereformeerde bijbelstichting,
>>>>> since that seems to be the version which is used for the SWORD module)
>>>>> I'm willing to test. (i'm very limited in time for full fledged module
>>>>> improvement)
>>>>>
>>>>> I might be able to get permission for the Telos (1984) version (only
>>>>> available as new testament) (payed probably)
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Maurits Obbink.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want more specific info contact me directly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Johan van der Lingen wrote:
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Hello brothers in faith!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me shortly introduce myself:
>>>>>> my name is Johan van der Lingen and I am a student in the
>>>>>> Netherlands. I just turned 24. Though I was baptised as a child, I
>>>>>> came to real faith only about one and a half year ago. I am very
>>>>>> happy to know Jesus and all that he has done to me. Also I know that
>>>>>> I want to know Him more! And of course, other people should know Him
>>>>>> as well!
>>>>>> This project can contribute to that, by providing translations for
>>>>>> other applications (like Bibletime or BibleMemorizer
>>>>>> (www.memoryverses.org)). Therefore I would at least like to try to
>>>>>> contribute.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe this is a good start: I was shocked to see only the
>>>>>> dutch 'Statenvertaling' (state translation) available in Sword.
>>>>>> Although it is a very accurate translation, it uses old words, which
>>>>>> will cause most young people to give up after two or three lines.
>>>>>> Therefore I would like to ask you the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - has anyone ever attempted to get other dutch bible translations?
>>>>>> - what is legally necessary to make a translation usable in Sword (do
>>>>>> you i.e. need a contract) ?
>>>>>> - what does it (technically) take to turn this into a format that is
>>>>>> usable in the Sword project?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could call dutch organizations to ask them whether the Sword
>>>>>> project may use their translations and maybe make a start to put them
>>>>>> into the right format.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please let me know!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish you all the best that God sends down from heaven,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Johan
>>>>>>
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