[sword-devel] KJV2006 Project

[Greg Hellings]

It might be nice for you to offer people the choice and the chances.  I
think that is what someone was indicating when they stated that we ought not
to make this a theologically based decision but rather a choice based on our
best re-construction of the material.  The choice comes in that SWORD offers
as many of the possible translations as possible in as accurate a
representation as possible - even going so far as to present the
questionable/cultish versions of the scripture.  Thus, the point is moot as
to whether or nt it is a good decision to capitalize, since we are trying to
develop a rendition of the KJV and not our interpretation of the material.

--Greg H

On 2/15/06, Darald Bantel <dbantel at telus.net> wrote:
>
> As this has become a personal opinion piece I will weigh in!
>
>
> On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 18:44 +0100, Kristian Due wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > Just wanted to add two more reasons (in addition to  Chris' good point
> > of hyperothodoxy) why you should not capitalize the pronouns in KJV. You
> > are probably aware of them anyway, but I think them a little funny, so
> > they deserve to be mentioned.
> >
> >     1) The singular pronouns (e.g. thou/thee) in middle-english are
> > always used in non-formal settings, and for formal settings the plural
> > forms you (and ye) were used. The funny thing here is the semantic shift
> > because the middle english *informal* pronouns have become the modern
> > english *formal* pronouns, and vice versa!
> >     2) If the translators of KJV had wanted to revere God by pronouns,
> > they certainly would have used the formal ones. The informal pronouns
> > probably reflect a theological consideration - a God we are allowed to
> > call abba/daddy certainly does not demand reverence through capitalized
> > pronouns.
>
> Right in one - God does not demand reverence and He does encourage me to
> think of Him as a beloved Father but (a very important but) albeit
> though He (in His Son) walks beside me He is still also pure holiness
> and as such I offer Him reverence. If I wish to do such that does not
> detract from what you do - rather it is my decision - as such would it
> not be nice to give the user the option rather than ranting in one's own
> opinion?
>
> Darald
>
> Post scriptum  If you found the foregoing hard to read - sorry but this
> is the way I prefer to write about my God.
> D
>
> >
> > When the pronouns in KJV are capitalized, it is because of a severe
> > semantic misunderstanding (which is a little funny...) and, as I would
> > argue, a severe theological misunderstanding.
> >
> > I am aware that perhaps someone would feel that the second argument here
> > is disputable, and I know this is not a theological mailinglist, but I
> > hope these points may be of interest! For of course - the main point
> > should be to give the KJV text as it was originally printed, no matter
> > how the translators use pronouns.
> >
> > My best wishes for KJV 2006
> >
> > Kristian Due
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris Little wrote:
> >
> > > Please don't change this. Pronouns referring to God in the KJV use
> > > lowercase. They did in the 1611. They did in the 1769. Anything that
> > > deviates from this is edited.
> > >
> > > The whole practice of capitalizing pronouns referring to God is a
> > > stupid modern attempt at hyper-orthodoxy. Very simply put: pronouns
> > > are never capitalized in modern English unless they come at the start
> > > of a sentence or are title-cased. And the irony is that the same
> > > people who would WANT to modify a text to capitalize such pronouns are
> > > likely often also people who would decry similar modification of a
> > > text to be gender neutral where source texts/other translations use
> > > masculine.
> > >
> > > It's a silly, bad, evil, yucky, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad practice.
> > >
> > > --Chris
> > >
> > >
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