[sword-devel] HTML Designers / Papyri Database

Troy A. Griffitts scribe at crosswire.org
Thu Aug 3 05:34:03 MST 2006 

OK, I've been making really slow progress, but am stuck.  I've been up 
all night trying to get the moving and sizing of highlight boxes 
working.  Moving seems to work ok, but sizing is just freaking me out.  
It could be that it's 5am and I'm just out of it,  more likely that I 
don't understand the flow of events in javascript.

Here's my latest attempt.  Don't laugh!  It's not pretty.  But try 
clicking on [Edit], then _Insert Before_, then play with the box.

IE is jumpy on pans because it's trying to load a cursor that doesn't 
exist in IE.

All code should be self contained in the page, but you'll also need the 
image.  Should be easy to grab the source and try to figure out what I'm 
doing wrong.  My latest attempt at sizing gets top and left to work 
almost ok, but the code is convoluted.  I tried to convolute the bottom 
and right the same way, but couldn't get anything to work.  Instead of 
going crazy, I think I'm just going to go to sleep.  Any help would be 
appreciated.

http://crosswire.org/~scribe/papyriedit/transcribeLevel1.jsp



Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
> Hey guys...
>
> OK, my quick email was way too misleading.
>
> I am working on a web 2.0, buzzword compliant level 1 transcription 
> utility page.  Just wanted to post my immediate plan so we don't overlay 
> any effort.
>
> On another note, it looks like this site:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/projects/digital/apis/
>
> is gaining headway as a papyri registry, and their tools don't 
> completely suck.
>
> Sorry for the confusion.  I'll post my menial contribution as soon as I 
> cross the line of having something actually being useful.
>
>     -Troy.
>
>
>
> Art Bolstad wrote:
>   
>> I like what I see, so far.  I don't see anything more than the contacts 
>> page. though.  I don't actually see any way to see transcriptions either 
>> - other than what other sites are doing.  Is that what you meant?
>>
>> I think the idea of comments and user improvements to transcriptions and 
>> translations is important, although the academics in the world, may not 
>> appreciate the value of AMATEURS :-) .
>>
>> art bolstad
>>
>>
>>
>> Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Been making progress on a functional level 1 markup and transcription page.
>>> Have a look at this:
>>>
>>> http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/projects/digital/apis/
>>>
>>>
>>> Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>>>   
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> Resending message from a different client... It seems spamcop has 
>>>> blacklisted T-Mobile's IP addresses they hand out to their EDGE cell 
>>>> phone clients...  Hope this one doesn't get marked as spam.
>>>>
>>>> Art and Matt,
>>>>     I'm excited that we seem to have similar ideas of what this could
>>>> become.  To elaborate on what you've mentioned.
>>>>
>>>>     I have hope that most major universities who frequently publish, or
>>>> have important Papyri (Duke, Oxford, etc.), will participate in
>>>> registering their documents.
>>>>     These documents move around for display and they would have the
>>>> option to update the current location of each document.
>>>>
>>>>     Open contributors would have custom skills which would cut across
>>>> the domain of document owners and would include things like Matt has
>>>> mentioned like: transcribers, translators, commentators.  Then document
>>>> owners could officially endorse submission, or other higher ranked
>>>> contributors could rank them.
>>>>
>>>>     The entire database snapshot would be available for free download as
>>>> a DVD image (or set, if necessary).   Uniformly marked up data would
>>>> allow all kinds of outside research.
>>>>
>>>>     HURDLE: Document owners are mostly protective of their images and
>>>> make a fair amount of money from photographs, etc.
>>>>     Possible solution: All images licensed with restriction that, if
>>>> republished, they must be reproduced in entirety. Images could then
>>>> include a border on the image with ownership/attribution text which
>>>> would sufficiently make the image unattractive to publishers that they
>>>> would still wish to photograph originals.
>>>>
>>>> There seems to be 2 levels of development:
>>>>
>>>>     On a lower level, I see a number of small, specialized utility pages
>>>> for each of these tasks.
>>>>
>>>>     On a higher level it seem we'll need very different faces to the
>>>> overall site will probably need to be developed based on the desired use
>>>> case and role:  Document Owner, Transcriber, Translator, Researching
>>>> Scholar.
>>>>
>>>>     Yes, I've been hoping we can work together with other projects who
>>>> have a similar vision.  I was hoping we could show off some basic,
>>>> useful tools before contacting them.
>>>>
>>>>     Thanks for dreaming together guys.  This is fun!
>>>>
>>>>        -Troy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Art Bolstad wrote:
>>>>     
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> I am enclosing a pdf of a proposed web interface.  It is simply some
>>>>> drawings and text of what I think this database should look like on
>>>>> the web.  If it is a step in the right direction, then we can work
>>>>> from there.
>>>>> Since it is a proposal, discussion of it would be nice.
>>>>>
>>>>> art bolstad
>>>>>
>>>>> Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>>>>>       
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> If you are an HTML designer, there is a huge need for YOU! :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We're trying to mockup some idea pages and really have no user
>>>>>> interface skills.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The idea we're trying to develop is a Papyri/Inscription registry
>>>>>> database.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a place where ancient scans can be uploaded, transcribed at 2
>>>>>> levels, translated, and demographic data associated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The sad start of a mockup is available at:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://crosswire.org/~scribe/papyriedit/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The data we're trying to capture is represented by something like
>>>>>> (please ignore the markup specifics, but instead concentrate on the
>>>>>> idea):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $$$/Bodmer Collection/Biblical Papyri/P66
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <seg type="x-key" subType="x-BiblicalContent">
>>>>>>    <reference osisRef="John.1.1-John.6.11">John 1:1-6:11</reference>;
>>>>>>    <reference osisRef="John.6.35-John.14.26">6:35-14:26</reference>,
>>>>>>    <reference osisRef="John.6.29-John.6.30">29-30</reference>;
>>>>>>    <reference osisRef="John.15.2-John.15.26">15:2-26</reference>;
>>>>>>    <reference osisRef="John.16.2-John.16.4">16:2-4</reference>,
>>>>>>    <reference osisRef="John.16.6-John.16.7">6-7</reference>;
>>>>>>    <reference osisRef="John.16.10-John.20.20">16:10-20:20</reference>,
>>>>>>    <reference osisRef="John.16.22-John.16.23">22-23</reference>;
>>>>>>    <reference osisRef="John.20.25-John.21.9">20:25-21:9</reference>,
>>>>>>    <reference osisRef="John.20.12">12</reference>,
>>>>>>    <reference osisRef="John.20.17">17</reference>
>>>>>> </seg>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <seg type="x-key" subType="x-DocumentName">P66</seg>
>>>>>> <seg type="x-key" subType="x-OriginDate">200</seg>
>>>>>> <seg type="x-key" subType="x-OriginPlace">unknown</seg>
>>>>>> <seg type="x-key" subType="x-DiscoveryDate"></seg>
>>>>>> <seg type="x-key" subType="x-DiscoveryPlace">Jabal Abu Mana, just
>>>>>> north of the Dishna plain and 12 kms east of Jabal al-Tarif.</seg>
>>>>>> <seg type="x-key" subType="x-DiscoveryPlaceLonLat">-127.645667
>>>>>> 42.224675</seg>
>>>>>> <seg type="x-key" subType="x-DiscoveredBy"></seg>
>>>>>> <seg type="x-key" subType="x-Owner">P. Chester Beatty</seg>
>>>>>> <seg type="x-key" subType="x-CurrentLocation">Cologny-Genéva,
>>>>>> Switzerland: Bibliotheca Bodmeriana; one leaf is in Cologne, Germany:
>>>>>> Institut für Altertumskunde der Universitat zu Köln</seg>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <seg type="x-scan"><figure
>>>>>> src="images/Collection/Section/Document.png"/></seg>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <seg type="x-transcription" subType="x-level1">
>>>>>>    <w id="c1" src="5 5 34 34">ÿÿ</w><w id="c2" src="40 5 34 34">ÿÿ</w>
>>>>>>    <w id="c3" src="75 5 34 34">ÿÿ</w><w id="c4" src="110 5 34 
>>>>>> 34">ÿÿ</w>
>>>>>>    <w id="c5" src="145 5 34 34">ÿÿ</w><w id="c6" src="180 5 34 
>>>>>> 34">ÿÿ</w>
>>>>>>    <w id="c7" src="215 5 34 34">ÿÿ</w><w id="c8" src="250 5 34 
>>>>>> 34">ÿÿ</w>
>>>>>>    <w id="c9" src="285 5 34 34">ÿÿ</w><w id="c10" src="320 5 34 
>>>>>> 34">ÿÿ</w>
>>>>>>    <w id="c11" src="355 5 34 34">ÿÿ</w><w id="c12" src="390 5 34
>>>>>> 34">ÿÿ</w>
>>>>>>    <w id="c13" src="425 5 34 34">ÿÿ</w><w id="c14" src="460 5 34
>>>>>> 34">ÿÿ</w>
>>>>>> </seg>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <seg type="x-transcription" subType="x-level2">
>>>>>>    <w id="w1" src="c1 c2">ÿÿÿÿ</w> <w id="w2" src="c3 c4 c5 
>>>>>> c6">ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ</w>
>>>>>>    <w id="w3" src="c7 c8">ÿÿÿÿ</w> <w id="w4" src="c9">ÿÿ</w>
>>>>>>    <w id="w5" src="c10 c11 c12 c13 c14">ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ</w>
>>>>>> </seg>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <seg type="x-translation" subType="x-en">
>>>>>>    <w src="w1">In</w> <w src="w2">the beginning</w>
>>>>>>    <w src="w3">was</w> <w src="w4 w5">the Word</w>.
>>>>>> </seg>
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