[sword-devel] UI for Windows Question...
Jason Turner
sword-devel@crosswire.org
Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:51:24 -0700
Trevor,
I replied to your "introduction" mail but I think it is better to continue the
conversation in this thread. You raise a good question about the usefullness
of Diatheke. Hopefully someone can answer that. My main concern, and the
reason that I was aiming at .NET, was to make sure that the UI followed MS
new look and feel. Other's have brought up this problem with the Java
question.
Personally, I'm currently unemployed and looking for a way to spend my time.
Learning a new toolkit or not is not much consequence to me.
However, my hope is that whatever we make could be good enough and easy enough
to use that someone who is not a Christian may pick it up just to check it
out.
-Jason
On Tuesday 11 March 2003 10:02 pm, N. Trevor Brierly wrote:
> Interesting you should post this. I need to introduce myself as well,
> since I'm also interested in working on a Windows interface. I'll do that
> in a separate post.
>
> We really need a fully-featured Windows interface that we can then make
> available to the increasing number of folks who would like a Windows
> research tool that can handle OSIS documents. The SWORD API already
> implements most (all?) of OSIS, so it makes sense to start with the SWORD
> Windows software.
>
> My original plan had been to essentially take the Windows interface which
> currently exists, which is in C++ and modify it into "full-featuredness",
> whatever that ends up meaning. However, I really don't know C++ at
> all,most of my experience is in Java and Visual Basic/ASP. So I'm
> contemplating whether I should just buckle down and learn C++ and work with
> what is there already. The concern here is the delay as I crawl up the
> learning curve. Or I could build something new in Java. Java has its own
> problems with installation and VM conflicts, etc. Or build something new
> in Visual Basic. VB is well-suited for rapid development of interfaces.
> Many controls already exist that can be used in VB, and controls could also
> be written. If in VB, then I would probably do it in VB6 instead of fooling
> with this new-fangled .Net stuff. Your intel that .Net doesn't talk to
> native C++ libraries further confirms me in that.
>
> My feeling is that re-implementing the SWORD API or a part thereof might
> not be a good idea. It's already written in something which can be used by
> a wide variety of dev. tools (except of course .Net.... :-( ). My grim
> suggestion is that one or both of us probably ought to just buckle down and
> work with the Windows software what we already have in C++, or start fresh
> with Java or VB or something else like that.
>
> I haven't taken much of a look at Diatheke, but I don't think it is going
> to be sophisticated enough to be behind a "fully featured" Windows
> interface. Someone who knows more about Diatheke *please* correct me if I'm
> wrong. One question worth asking is: is Diatheke sophisticated enough that
> the Linux interface could do everything it does through Diatheke? I
> suspect the answer to that question will tell us alot about whether the
> Windows interface could do the equivalent through Diatheke.
>
> grace and peace,
> ntb
>
> "...the chief purpose of life, for any one of us, is to increase according
> to our capacity our knowledge of God by all the means we have, and to be
> moved by it to praise and thanks. To do as we say in the Gloria in
> Excelsis: ...We praise you, we call you holy, we worship you, we proclaim
> your glory, we thank you for the greatness of your splendour."
> J.R.R. Tolkien
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org
> [mailto:sword-devel-admin@crosswire.org]On Behalf Of Jason Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 12:14 PM
> To: sword-devel@crosswire.org
> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] UI for Windows Question...
>
>
> On this note, I would like to introduce myself. My name is Jason Turner.
> I've
> been following the Sword project off and on for a while now and just
> thought I would make the move to get involved. I have recently read
> "Revolution in World Missions" by K.P. Yohannan (Pres of Gospel For Asia)
> and have been looking into the work that Voice of the Martyrs and Wycliffe
> Bible Translators have been accomplishing. These things have moved me to
> want to help with God's work. So, I started looking at what I could do.
>
> I think that the work that you guys have done is awesome. The library of
> books
> available is incredable. However, it seems that the windows userinterface
> is a little dated. I personally prefer Linux and despise Microsoft and
> everything that they stand for, however, most people in the world run
> windows
> and the Sword project could have it's biggest potential impact in the
> Windows
> world.
>
> So, to get to my point, I was considering writing a new UI in .NET.
> However, .NET cannot utilize native C++ libraries. It can use Managed C++,
> C#, ActiveX
> DLL's and native C libraries. Since I cannot use the Sword API as it
> stands, I was considering reimplementing a subset of it in .NET, and then
> building the UI on top of that. Of course releasing the whole thing under
> the GPL.
>
> So, I'm looking for comments. Does anyone have any other suggestions? Is
> there
> anything that I have missed? Should I take a closer look at Diatheke or
> ActiveDiatheke? Is someone else already working on a new Windows client?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jason Turner
>
> On Monday 10 March 2003 09:27 pm, David Trotz wrote:
> > No the windows version does not allow this. Certain versions of the bible
> > will automatically break the paragraph into seperate lines per verse, but
> > other than that the answer is no. Sorry. It may be added someday. David
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Christopher Frazier
> > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org
> > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 1:52 PM
> > Subject: [sword-devel] UI for Windows Question...
> >
> >
> > I've been looking everywhere for this, and since I haven't found the
> > archive to the lists, I guess I have to ask it here:
> >
> > How do you view the Bible text one verse per line in Sword for
> > Windows?!? BibleTime does this in an obvious way, but I cannot figure
> > this out at all in Windows. Does the program do this at all?
> >
> > TIA!
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > sword-devel mailing list
> > sword-devel@crosswire.org
> > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
>
> _______________________________________________
> sword-devel mailing list
> sword-devel@crosswire.org
> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel
>
> _______________________________________________
> sword-devel mailing list
> sword-devel@crosswire.org
> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel