[sword-devel] UI for Windows Question...

[Costas I. Stergiou]

Have you tried to run this exe on a machine without a JRE?


On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Chris wrote:

>
> Well I had a little Java swing program, about 5kb .jar file. And when I
> asked it to, JBuilder7 converted it into a .exe of about 70kb, that
> didn't appear to require the JRE. How it works I don't know, but it
> seems to work. There's also the option of Linux and Sun/Sparc native
> executeables.
>
>
> Costas I. Stergiou wrote:
>
> >Hi Chris,
> >I don't think JBuilder can produce executables (native). Actually,
> >no java app can be converted to an executable unless the executable
> >contains the whole JRE within. I am also using JBuilder from version 2
> >and I would agree that it's interface is quite good but still lacks
> >the native L&F. On the other hand, JBuilder is really faster than
> >other Java apps, an to be honest I have always wondered what Borland
> >has hacked into to make this happen, but I am sure that the code
> >that is produces is pure java classes with the usual behaviour.
> >
> >What I said is just an opinion though and a personal choice from
> >my experience until now. Remember, I am primary a Java programmer (I
> >have JBuidler in me screen as I write this e-mail, I am at work now)
> >but I still believe that java is (unfortunately) not the way to go for a
> >windows GUI.
> >
> >I am really new to this list/project so my opinion should not be
> >considered highly. I am happy though to participate in this conversation.
> >Thanks,
> >Costas
> >
> >On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Chris wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>I personally would sacrifice windows L&F for the cross-platform ability.
> >>Plus, JBuilder can produce native executables. I havn't tried
> >>benchmarking them,
> >>but I presume the JBuilder environment itself uses it, and it is very
> >>snappy.
> >>
> >>Costas I. Stergiou wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Actually, my full time job is java dev and it is really my
> >>>favorite language for many reasons.
> >>>Well, the reason I would
> >>>not suggest java is because it is slow in the GUI, and does not provide
> >>>a real windows look and feel. All the Java GUI programs I have used are
> >>>indeed a bit slow and out of the windows feel. Also the JVM is not
> >>>standard within windows. It would have been much easier for me to
> >>>do my own work in Java (and I would have done in half the time propably)
> >>>but I think that every language is good at some stuff and windows GUI
> >>>is not what Java is for. I think that if you compare a native win GUI
> >>>with any Java GUI (look, responsiveness, etc) you will agree that the
> >>>diferrences are quite noteable.
> >>>
> >>>Costas
> >>>
> >>>On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Chris wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Costas I. Stergiou wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Some months ago I started on a software for personal use that would
> >>>>>help in bible study. Since my best knowledge is in Java (5 years now)
> >>>>>I started the implementation with it. Very soon I realized the (obvious)
> >>>>>fact that Java is NOT for the Desktop.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>Why? My full time job is writing Java desktop (gui) software.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I thought of VB (where I also have
> >>>>>experience) but I quickly dropped the idea since the code it
> >>>>>produces is really slow. I ended up with Delphi (since it is really
> >>>>>easier than C++) and now i have made a first version of a windows
> >>>>>software for bible study. One of the reasons I didn't go with some
> >>>>>of the already existing software is because none of these are quite
> >>>>>good at searching/handling greek text (I am Greek) and none of these
> >>>>>had a modern Greek translation which is the one most commonly used
> >>>>>here in Greece. Also personal notes was really important and no sw
> >>>>>gave real significance to that issue.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I am married with one child, and my responsibilities leave my with
> >>>>>few time to work on this project. I would be really happy though if
> >>>>>I could help anyhow with this idea. I have recently put up a site
> >>>>>with the software which (unfortunately?) is in greek, though I have
> >>>>>made an english version of the software. If anyone would like to
> >>>>>check it out here is the link for the english version of the
> >>>>>software: http://www.theword.gr/bin/theword-en-0.99-full.exe
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I would be really happy if I could help out here in any way, either by
> >>>>>giving the code, some ideas on the platform or anything else I
> >>>>>could help with. I could also give some ideas about the Java platform
> >>>>>since it is my everyday work for years now.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Thanks,
> >>>>>Costas
> >>>>>(once more, excuse me for my bad english)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Chris wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Jason Turner wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Personally I'd rather see a Java version than .NET.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>So, to get to my point, I was considering writing a new UI in .NET. However,
> >>>>>>>.NET cannot utilize native C++ libraries. It can use Managed C++, C#, ActiveX
> >>>>>>>DLL's and native C libraries. Since I cannot use the Sword API as it stands,
> >>>>>>>I was considering reimplementing a subset of it in .NET, and then building
> >>>>>>>the UI on top of that. Of course releasing the whole thing under the GPL.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>So, I'm looking for comments. Does anyone have any other suggestions? Is there
> >>>>>>>anything that I have missed? Should I take a closer look at Diatheke or
> >>>>>>>ActiveDiatheke? Is someone else already working on a new Windows client?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Thanks.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Jason Turner
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>On Monday 10 March 2003 09:27 pm, David Trotz wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>No the windows version does not allow this. Certain versions of the bible
> >>>>>>>>will automatically break the paragraph into seperate lines per verse, but
> >>>>>>>>other than that the answer is no. Sorry. It may be added someday. David
> >>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>From: Christopher Frazier
> >>>>>>>>To: sword-devel@crosswire.org
> >>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 1:52 PM
> >>>>>>>>Subject: [sword-devel] UI for Windows Question...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I've been looking everywhere for this, and since I haven't found the
> >>>>>>>>archive to the lists, I guess I have to ask it here:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>How do you view the Bible text one verse per line in Sword for
> >>>>>>>>Windows?!?  BibleTime does this in an obvious way, but I cannot figure
> >>>>>>>>this out at all in Windows.  Does the program do this at all?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>TIA!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Chris
> >>>>>>>>
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